Is patriarchy inherently wrong?

[AgnosticBoy]

This topic is related to another topic that questions why God would make rules that subjugate women. I can accept that there are rules in the Bible that subjugate women. What I don't agree with are the views and that says that all rules involving men being over women (or taking a lead role) are wrong. I question these views because there are some patriarchal standards that are good or that don't cause harm and/or the suppression of women.

When I've had this conversation in the past, I tend to find a lot of assumptions of how patriarchy should be (as if there's only one way to lead - the dictator way?) or I find a lot of double-standards. So let's debate!

Is patriarchy inherently wrong (meaning any or all forms are wrong)?

[mrrobot1994]

This topic is related to another topic that questions why God would make rules that subjugate women. I can accept that there are rules in the Bible that subjugate women. What I don't agree with are the views and that says that all rules involving men being over women (or taking a lead role) are wrong. I question these views because there are some patriarchal standards that are good or that don't cause harm and/or the suppression of women.

When I've had this conversation in the past, I tend to find a lot of assumptions of how patriarchy should be (as if there's only one way to lead - the dictator way?) or I find a lot of double-standards. So let's debate!

Is patriarchy inherently wrong (meaning any or all forms are wrong)?

Patriarchy is a system in which male privilege is supported. We moved from a matriarchal society in which we believe there was equality between men and women to a dominant male culture. Men created our institutions, religions, and built a world based on male superiority. There was NO feminine influence in these creations. The female role was limited to marriage, family and home. Until recently for one small example women, women could not get their own credit established without husband or fathers signature. Women’s SIRnames are always male…fathers or husbands.

[help3434]

Now you will argue as long they are two the child won't feel the difference this child has a different opinion
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/six-da ... u1ue5.html

I know I am replying to a post over a year old, but just read this, and this poster apparently posted this link without bothering to read enough of the article torealizing it is satirical. It is making the opposite point the poster thought it made.

[mms20102]

[Replying to help3434 in post #32]

I have been inspired to share my story by a courageous woman named Cheryl Parrott. A therapist at Rich Relationships Counselling in Sydney

That's how she started her words, and between, I offered a debate to anyone wants to defend homosexuality and homosexual parents but apparently none is able to do that so far.

[mms20102]

[Replying to mrrobot1994 in post #31]

Men created .........

Yes, they did because women can't short answer

[mms20102]

[Replying to William in post #30]

Understanding God as a Male or Female is stating that this thing is not God, God can't be a male or female since both genders have sexual drive, saying that God needs anything means that it's a creation not a creator.

[William]

[Replying to William in post #30]

Understanding God as a Male or Female is stating that this thing is not God, God can't be a male or female since both genders have sexual drive, saying that God needs anything means that it's a creation not a creator.

Essentially then, The Creator is Mind.

Also, what is your take on Biblical Jesus constantly referring to The Creator ad "The Father"?

[mms20102]

[Replying to William in post #36]

Essentially then, The Creator is Mind.

Do mind need blood and Oxygen and other things to live ?
If yes then Brain is not God

Let me tell you what God is, he is not like anything and yes when we say he in Arabic it's not meaning a Gender unlike when we say she we are specifying a gender

Also, what is your take on Biblical Jesus constantly referring to The Creator ad "The Father"?

Understanding Hebrew will make you understand why the word father was used, Hebrew is a symbolic language and people at those old times knew the difference between biological father and symbolic father.

You can check this verse

And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth. John 17:3

[William]

[Replying to mms20102 in post #37]

Does mind need blood and Oxygen and other things to live ?

No.

Let me tell you what God is, he is not like anything and yes when we say he in Arabic it's not meaning a Gender unlike when we say she we are specifying a gender

I thought you argued God was not male or female? Why allow for a double standard?
Perhaps the better word to use is "It".

Understanding Hebrew will make you understand why the word father was used, Hebrew is a symbolic language and people at those old times knew the difference between biological father and symbolic father.

Understanding Hebrew mysticism also has its advantages - Shekinah as one example, and deeper still, re the Qabalah and Zohar.

Do you also think that the ancient folk understood the difference between a symbolic mother and a biological mother?
Shekhinah: The Divine Feminine