How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
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How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #1How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #811This very clearly indicates that even in your mind, morals transcend God. They are beyond God's ability to dictate, which - again - throws you onto a horn of Euthyphro.The Tanager wrote:So, if God then said raping a child is good, He would be wrong because of how He set reality up. You can apply that to any scenario you want.
If morals are what they are, despite what God says, why are they Right? Just because?
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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
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A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
― Omar Khayyâm
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #812[Replying to boatsnguitars in post #811]
I don’t think there is anything new for either of us in this discussion. I’ve answered how God makes human morality objective. I’ve shared why my view isn’t “God said it, so it must be good” multiple times. I’ve specifically shared why my view splits the false Euthyphro dilemma. I’ve shared why reason alone can’t get one to objective morals. Reason has a starting point and your starting point isn’t objective, so it takes you to subjective morality. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and allowing me to share mine.
I don’t think there is anything new for either of us in this discussion. I’ve answered how God makes human morality objective. I’ve shared why my view isn’t “God said it, so it must be good” multiple times. I’ve specifically shared why my view splits the false Euthyphro dilemma. I’ve shared why reason alone can’t get one to objective morals. Reason has a starting point and your starting point isn’t objective, so it takes you to subjective morality. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and allowing me to share mine.
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Post #813You didn't sum that up correctly, but I wouldn't expect you to get it right, since you haven't been right about any of it.
“And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
― Omar Khayyâm
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
― Omar Khayyâm
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #814Simple-listen to Jesus--Man does not live by bread alone but by every utterance from God--All who love God and his son, learn and apply-EVERY utterance from God=OT-NT study never stops. The only teachers on earth who have Jesus leading them, teach EVERY utterance from God to the flock, without fail. All can look at their preacher this very minute and see if they actually have listened to Jesus, otherwise they have found-these2Cor 11:1215)Compassionist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:42 pm How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #815So have you ceased eating altogether or do you just live every moment under the condemnation that you, yourself, are evil in your eyes?Compassionist wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:42 pm How do we know what is right, and what is wrong? For example, I think it is wrong to be a herbivore or a carnivore or an omnivore, or a parasite. I think all living things should be autotrophs. I think only autotrophs are good and the rest are evil. However, I am not certain that my thoughts are right. Can herbivores, carnivores, omnivores, and parasites become autotrophs at will? If so, why don't they? If they can't become autotrophs at will, is it really their fault that they are not autotrophs?
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #816God doesn’t have to have ever spoken to anyone at all in order for people to know what the Bible says is right and wrong
I determine what is right or wrong according to the Bible by reading and studying the Bible. phim sex hàn quốc
I determine what is right or wrong according to direct prophetic communication with God by paying attention when He speaks to me directly.
I determine what is right or wrong according to the Bible by reading and studying the Bible. phim sex hàn quốc
I determine what is right or wrong according to direct prophetic communication with God by paying attention when He speaks to me directly.
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #817Then you believe mass genocide is good [the flood, God's many commands to his people to annihilate competing tribes]; you believe if a 'god' tells you to murder your son, you should do it ['Binding of Isaac']; that leaders like Trump and Hitler should be obeyed since they were given 'authority' by God [Paul in Romans]; and on and on....mrrobot1994 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:15 am God doesn’t have to have ever spoken to anyone at all in order for people to know what the Bible says is right and wrong
I determine what is right or wrong according to the Bible by reading and studying the Bible. phim sex hàn quốc
I determine what is right or wrong according to direct prophetic communication with God by paying attention when He speaks to me directly.
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Re: How do we know what is right, and what is wrong?
Post #818By doing what is right and not doing what is wrong.