JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[LittleNipper]

It is highly likely (pretty much beyond a shadow of a doubt) that Jehovah isn't GOD's actual name and here is why: https://www.gotquestions.org/Jehovah.html

[LittleNipper]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

What I note time and again is that there is subordination among the persons of the TRINITY. All three personages work together. The FATHER directs, the SON fulfills, and the HOLY SPIRIT indwells. CHRSIT listens to HIS FATHER's instruction. HOWEVER, CHRIST is entirely necessary for the FATHER's instruction to be fulfilled, and the HOLY SPIRIT is entirely necessary for believers to be indwelled. None of this makes CHRIST any less GOD, as none of this usurps the FATHER's directive. These three are ONE, and for a believer these THREE are ultimately eternally GOD. It is not proper, nor biblical for humans to declare whom they will label as GOD because ALL THREE ARE ONE --- coequal and in their entirety necessary for any possibility of one's salvation. An egg without it's shell is a sloppy mess. A shell without what's inside is incomplete. And a yoke without the white and shell is without protection and nourishment. Yet the yoke contains all the mineral ingrediencies. Each part is egg, yet ultimately all three are necessary, but it's GOD who sees the need of the individual personages of HIS oneness. It isn't for us to dissect GOD. And the Bible puts Job and his friends in their place when they attempt to understand the nature of GOD.

CHRIST saved me and HE is my Lord and SAVIOR and I will worship HIM; however, in so doing my HEAVENLY FATHER in heaven is also glorified/worshipped, and the HOLY SPIRIT enables my worship to reach heaven. And John 1 says it all.

[onewithhim]

Technically, God's "children" are those that are anointed to rule with Christ.

Biblically, here is what the scriptures state about the children of God:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit ( God ) is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

That is, to gain eternal life you must first be born as a human being, or born of water. You are 70-80% water and you were carried in water in the womb. You are born first as a flesh and blood physical human being. You must then be born again as a spirit at, or after, your resurrection. All Christians who are born again of the Spirit (God) are the children of God. And because their Father is a spirit, they are spirits. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit! They have become equal unto the angels:

Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:36)

Notice that Christians become "children of the resurrection." That is, they are born at the resurrection. They were born once before in their existence, their physical birth. Since Christians are born a second time as a spiritual being at the resurrection, they are born again! It is an actual, real experience, not simply some emotional occurrence experienced during your physical life on earth. What does the Bible state we must become to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 18:3)

We are converted into spiritual, immortal bodies, as opposed to our present physical, mortal bodies. We are new spirits, and thus spiritual "children." This blessed birth occurs at the resurrection, thus we are children of the resurrection. The wages of sin is death, but we are now immortal spiritual children of God which cannot die. Therefore, we do not suffer the second death. Like Jesus, God's only Son, we will have become the children of God. The family has become much larger:

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ ... (Romans 8:16-17)

Jesus will no longer be the only Son of God! In fact, Jesus will now be our brother, as we also are now the sons and daughters of God; thus making us joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What a wonderful big brother we will have! However, that event is in our future if we are Christians. There are no Christians anywhere, dead or alive, who are presently born again Christians. You cannot be born again until Jesus returns! If you believe in Jesus Christ your name is written in the book of life as an inheritor of eternal life under terms of the New Testament. Those terms are believing in Jesus as your Savior. Those who believe in Jesus will receive everlasting life as inheritors under the New Testament:

Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. (Colossians 3:24)

The New Testament will be probated upon the Second Coming of Christ at the resurrection:

And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me... (Revelation 22:12)

When you are born again the second time at the resurrection as a spiritual body which will live forever, only then can you truthfully claim to be a born again Christian! Until that time, you have not been born again, regardless of what you have been told. You have only been born once as a human. The Kingdom of God consists only of spirits. Therefore, to become members of the Kingdom of God, you must be born again as a spirit:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

All that you posted here refers to those who are anointed with spirit and will reign with Christ in heaven, the "little flock," which I have already explained to you. Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

Going to heaven = the ones anointed by the spirit and "born again," who will reign with Christ. (Revelation 20:6)

Living on the earth = the billions of people who are not anointed by the holy spirit and look forward to life on a Paradise earth, being reigned over by the co-rulers of Christ in heaven.

"Evildoers will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones who will possess the earth....The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:9, 29)

[myth-one.com]

All that you posted here refers to those who are anointed with spirit and will reign with Christ in heaven, the "little flock," which I have already explained to you. Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

But you recently claimed that those Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are members of the Kingdom of God:

The ones on Earth are part of the Kingdom . . .

Now you claim that Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are not born again of the Spirit as spirits. If that is the case, they remain as flesh and blood humans which cannot possibly inherit the Kingdom of God according to God Himself:

And as we (all believers) have borne the image of the earthy (humans), we (believers) shall also bear the image of the heavenly (spiritual bodied beings). Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood (humans) cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

So according to God, all believers, including those on the earth, must be born again of the Spirit as spirits to inherit the Kingdom of God. His only begotten Son Jesus agrees:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:5-7)

Can you resolve this obvious contradiction between your claims and the scriptures as inspired by God!

[myth-one.com]

Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

We recently agreed that those Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are members of the Kingdom of God:

The ones on Earth are part of the Kingdom . . .

According to the Bible, there are two type of living bodies, natural and spiritual:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

The Bible also states that flesh and blood natural bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

And as we (all believers) have borne the image of the earthy (humans), we (believers) shall also bear the image of the heavenly (spiritual bodied beings). Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood (humans) cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)

If flesh and blood natural bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, and believers who rule the earth with Jesus are members of the Kingdom of God as you state, then those Christians who will rule the earth with Jesus are not flesh and blood humans as you claim!

And if they are not flesh and blood natural bodied human beings, they must be the only other type of body, which is the spiritual body equal unto the angels whom they are replacing!

[onewithhim]

All that you posted here refers to those who are anointed with spirit and will reign with Christ in heaven, the "little flock," which I have already explained to you. Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

But you recently claimed that those Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are members of the Kingdom of God:

The ones on Earth are part of the Kingdom . . .

Now you claim that Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are not born again of the Spirit as spirits. If that is the case, they remain as flesh and blood humans which cannot possibly inherit the Kingdom of God according to God Himself:

Wait one minute. If anyone reads carefully my posts, I have repeatedly said that the Christians who rule over the earth with Christ ARE born again of the Spirit as spirits. They do not remain as flesh and blood humans.

[myth-one.com]

All that you posted here refers to those who are anointed with spirit and will reign with Christ in heaven, the "little flock," which I have already explained to you. Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

But you recently claimed that those Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are members of the Kingdom of God:

The ones on Earth are part of the Kingdom . . .

Now you claim that Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are not born again of the Spirit as spirits. If that is the case, they remain as flesh and blood humans which cannot possibly inherit the Kingdom of God according to God Himself:

Wait one minute. If anyone reads carefully my posts, I have repeatedly said that the Christians who rule over the earth with Christ ARE born again of the Spirit as spirits. They do not remain as flesh and blood humans.

I waited one minute and read it again very carefully as you suggested. Here is what you said:

Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

Everyone who believes in Jesus will have everlasting life. Everyone who does not believe in Jesus will perish:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers must be born again of the Spirit as spirits to gain everlasting life -- Ye must be born again.

When believers are born again of the Spirit, they become spirits because that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

All nonbelievers who are not born of the Spirit will pay the wages for their own sins -- which is the second and everlasting death.

Can you identify who you are referring to in the phrase "Those humans who live forever on the earth"?

There are no human on the earth after believers are born again as spirits and nonbelievers pay the wages for their sins!

Christianity divides the human race into two groups -- human believers and human nonbelievers. When believers become spirits they are no longer any human believers.

When all nonbelievers perish there are longer any human nonbelievers.

The total human population at that time will be zero believers plus zero nonbelievers equals ZERO living humans.

[onewithhim]

All that you posted here refers to those who are anointed with spirit and will reign with Christ in heaven, the "little flock," which I have already explained to you. Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

But you recently claimed that those Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are members of the Kingdom of God:

The ones on Earth are part of the Kingdom . . .

Now you claim that Christians who will rule over the earth forever with Jesus are not born again of the Spirit as spirits. If that is the case, they remain as flesh and blood humans which cannot possibly inherit the Kingdom of God according to God Himself:

Wait one minute. If anyone reads carefully my posts, I have repeatedly said that the Christians who rule over the earth with Christ ARE born again of the Spirit as spirits. They do not remain as flesh and blood humans.

I waited one minute and read it again very carefully as you suggested. Here is what you said:

Those humans who live forever on the earth are not "born again" of the spirit, and they don't even wish to go to heaven.

So, I didn't say that the anointed spirit-begotten co-rulers with Christ are not born again, did I? I didn't say that, as you made clear in your post above. I said that those anointed born-again people WILL rule over the earth with Jesus. It is the billions of people who will live on the earth forever that are not born-again, since they will not be ruling with Christ, but will enjoy life on this beautiful planet.

"Evildoers will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth....The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:9,29)

[myth-one.com]

It is the billions of people who will live on the earth forever that are not born-again, since they will not be ruling with Christ, but will enjoy life on this beautiful planet.[

"Evildoers will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth....The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:9,29)

Those billions of people that were not born again of the Spirit were cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffered their second and everlasting death!

Having no Savior, they had to pay the wages for their sins -- which is the second death.

They are cut off from salvation.

After the last one is cast into the lake and dies there are no longer any humans. The seven thousand years of the age of mankind is then over.

[onewithhim]

It is the billions of people who will live on the earth forever that are not born-again, since they will not be ruling with Christ, but will enjoy life on this beautiful planet.[

"Evildoers will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth....The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:9,29)

Those billions of people that were not born again of the Spirit were cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffered their second and everlasting death!

Having no Savior, they had to pay the wages for their sins -- which is the second death.

They are cut off from salvation.

After the last one is cast into the lake and dies there are no longer any humans. The seven thousand years of the age of mankind is then over.

No, those billions of people are the "righteous" that will inherit the earth and live on it forever. The symbolic lake of fire means that the wicked will be "cut off," or, annihilated forever.

"For evildoers will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth....The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:9,29)