Israel at War with Hamas October 7, 2023

[Diogenes]

There is no question this was a horrific attack by Hamas on Israel that also endangers Palestinians.
To what extent are attacks like this inevitable, considering the history of Israel?

Isn't this just another example of how religious conflict breeds violence?
or
Is it inevitable that strongly held beliefs will always ignite the passions of some?

Perhaps the difference with religions that claim authority from God is that they inspire absolute beliefs, an absolute conviction they are 'right' and therefore anything is justifiable... including following God's orders to kill your own son.

Palestinian land stolen in 1948, more in 1967, then more every day in the West Bank makes acts of terrorism inevitable. Then Netanyahu put a right wing criminal in charge of the 'Ministry of Justice,' and... BIG SURPRISE! ... another war.
"If I go the to write indictment number one, it would go to Israel's Justice Minister YARIV LEVIN. He is the man who drove this insane, corrupt, dishonest effort to basically take over the power of the Supreme Court. With Netanyahu's help, he fractured Israel. He fractured Israeli society. He fractured the Israeli ministry, the military. He fractured the Israeli air force...."
__ Tom Friedman

https://www.rawstory.com/tom-friedman-i ... A-TIAtHv6Y

[Athetotheist]

Hamas that attacked Israel is Palestine. I don't understand the people that want to say that the people that attacked Iseral are not Palestine people. Please tell me what you think there are? Egyptians? Germans? What?

Is every Egyptian a member of ISIL? Is every German a Nazi?

[William]

[Replying to William in post #167]
Game Theory

[foolmefoolsyou]

Hamas that attacked Israel is Palestine. I don't understand the people that want to say that the people that attacked Iseral are not Palestine people. Please tell me what you think there are? Egyptians? Germans? What?

Israel Knew Hamas’ Attack Plan a Year Before Oct. 7: Report
A YEAR BEFORE Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel, a document detailing plans to carry out the assault circulated among Israeli officials, according to the New York Times.
https://tinyurl.com/38dtrezp
The Truth Will Set You Free

[foolmefoolsyou]

Hamas that attacked Israel is Palestine. I don't understand the people that want to say that the people that attacked Iseral are not Palestine people. Please tell me what you think there are? Egyptians? Germans? What?

Palestine | History, People, & Religion | Britannica
Palestine's Early Roots
Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes. From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.May 11, 2021
Palestine - History, Religion & Conflicts - HISTORY
Palestine’s Early Roots
Scholars believe the name “Palestine” originally comes from the word “Philistia,” which refers to the Philistines who occupied part of the region in the 12th century B.C.
Throughout history, Palestine has been ruled by numerous groups, including the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Fatimids, Seljuk Turks, Crusaders, Egyptians and Mamelukes.
From about 1517 to 1917, the Ottoman Empire ruled much of the region.
When World War I ended in 1918, the British took control of Palestine. The League of Nations issued a British mandate for Palestine—a document that gave Britain administrative control over the region, and included provisions for establishing a Jewish national homeland in Palestine—which went into effect in 1923.
The history of Palestine is the study of the past in the region of Palestine, defined as the territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.
The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization.
History of Palestine – Wikipedia

[Athetotheist]

Al-Shifa Hospital

https://www.commondreams.org/news/turns ... ital-claim

[Donray]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #171]

Yes, every Nazi in Germany was a German. And yes, 99% sure every member of ISIL in Egypt is Egyptian. Likewise, of Hamas in Gaza is a Palestine.

Since you know so much, tell me the ethnic makeup of Gaza. Is it 25% Hamas Germans?

Are you saying that Iseral should have attacked GAZA since they knew a terrorist attacked was coming and that Hamas wanted to start a war?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Donray in post #176

Yes, every Nazi in Germany was a German. And yes, 99% sure every member of ISIL in Egypt is Egyptian. Likewise, of Hamas in Gaza is a Palestine.

You're twisting it around.

I'm not asking if every Nazi in Germany was a German; I'm asking if every German in Germany was a Nazi.

I'm not asking if every ISIL member in Egypt is Egyptian; I'm asking if every Egyptian in Egypt is a member of ISIL.

[Donray]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #177]

NO to your question. Mow answer me how many Palestine people are Hamas or support Hamas? Hamas got elected so at least 50% support or are Hamas what is your estimate?

[Donray]

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... de/675602/

The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:

The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Donray in post #178

NO to your question. Mow answer me how many Palestine people are Hamas or support Hamas? Hamas got elected so at least 50% support or are Hamas what is your estimate?

Bears repeating:

The election yielded a shock victory for Hamas, which won the most seats with some 44 percent of the vote. Lara Friedman, president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, which advocates for rapprochement and peace between Israelis and Palestinians, recently observed that in no single district in Gaza did Hamas win a majority of votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ne-israel/


In other words, Hamas’ absolute rule of Gaza is not what the Palestinians voted for back in 2006. In fact, since the median age of Gazans is 18, half of Hamas’ subjects weren’t even born when the election took place. Since they have known no alternative, have absorbed little information but Hamas propaganda, and have witnessed periodic outbursts of violent conflict with Israel throughout their lives, it is impossible to know what they really think about their rulers.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... ction.html