THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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It's interesting that this is another widely held doctrine by Christians, yet no one has ever put forth an actual age from the scriptures where children are not accountable for their sins. The fact is that when God looks at a human being, he looks at their heart and sees either righteousness or unrighteousness. If righteousness, then that means that Christ's atoning work has been applied to your life. At which point he has given that person a new and perfect heart that is free from sin, and has raised their dead soul to eternal life. If God sees unrighteousness in their heart, then it means that Christ's atoning work has not (or not yet) been applied to that individual and that individual is still in his or her sins. This applies from the moment of conception.

Psalm 51:5 (KJV 1900)
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;
And in sin did my mother conceive me.


Can something conceived in sin be pure and clean in the eyes of God? The Bible says, no.

Job 14:4 (KJV 1900)
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

So, how does God view a child conceived and still unsaved? The same way he views a grown up who is still unsaved, as wicked.

Psalm 58:3 (KJV 1900)
The wicked are estranged from the womb:
They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.


Most will say, "babies can't speak, so this can't be referring to babies". Yet this is parabolic language (as is the whole Bible) which is speaking of the spiritual condition (as viewed by God) of mankind who was yet in his sins.

When the Bible as a whole is taken into acount, it absolutely contradicts and therefore rejects such doctrine of any age of accountability. But why then was it invented? Because it was build upon another false doctrine, the free will doctrine which states that a person must make an informed choice if he is going to accept Christ. And since babies can't do that, they had to find a way to make them exempt. But this goes to show what happpens when someone tries to build upon a crooked foundation, everything else they build on that foundation will also be crooked.

My question for anyone who hold to this doctrine is, can you show me how the scriptures you use to support such doctrine agree witht he above Bible verses provided? Because if we isolate passages from the Bible as a whole, then we can make them say anything we want.

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:48 am
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:47 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:06 pm
Both anointed and non-anointed Christians belong to Christ.
Then they will all be resurrected at the Second Coming according to God almighty:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

I'll have to side with God on this one -- He should know.

Do you believe that all resurrected Christians will then spend the Millennium with Jesus?

If so, then it is impossible that any Christians will be resurrected during the Millennium as you claim, as those resurrected during the Millennium cannot spend the Millennium with Jesus.

They would spend less than a thousand years with Jesus. It's simple math.
No, all resurrected ones will not spend the thousand years with Jesus in heaven. The non-anointed ones will enjoy life here on the earth, during the Millennium and thereafter.

"The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:29)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

All deceased Christians (they that are Christ's) will be resurrected at the Second Coming. This is the first resurrection. All of these resurrected will then spend the thousand years with Jesus according to your Bible:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

So all resurrected at the Second Coming will spend the Millennium with Jesus.

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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myth-one.com wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:58 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:48 am
myth-one.com wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:47 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:06 pm
Both anointed and non-anointed Christians belong to Christ.
Then they will all be resurrected at the Second Coming according to God almighty:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

I'll have to side with God on this one -- He should know.

Do you believe that all resurrected Christians will then spend the Millennium with Jesus?

If so, then it is impossible that any Christians will be resurrected during the Millennium as you claim, as those resurrected during the Millennium cannot spend the Millennium with Jesus.

They would spend less than a thousand years with Jesus. It's simple math.
No, all resurrected ones will not spend the thousand years with Jesus in heaven. The non-anointed ones will enjoy life here on the earth, during the Millennium and thereafter.

"The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it." (Psalm 37:29)

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

All deceased Christians (they that are Christ's) will be resurrected at the Second Coming. This is the first resurrection. All of these resurrected will then spend the thousand years with Jesus according to your Bible:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

So all resurrected at the Second Coming will spend the Millennium with Jesus.
He that has part in the first resurrection is the spirit anointed one who will reign with Christ in heaven. There are the anointed ones---a small group compared to the billions of other people who will live forever on the earth---and then there are the non-anointed ones who will be part of the kingdom on the earth. The second resurrection will be all of the people who died before the second coming of Jesus at Armageddon, brought back to life on earth in physical bodies. (See the physical aspect of people as described in Isaiah 11:6-9.)

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:08 am He that has part in the first resurrection is the spirit anointed one who will reign with Christ in heaven. There are the anointed ones---a small group compared to the billions of other people who will live forever on the earth---and then there are the non-anointed ones who will be part of the kingdom on the earth. The second resurrection will be all of the people who died before the second coming of Jesus at Armageddon, brought back to life on earth in physical bodies. (See the physical aspect of people as described in Isaiah 11:6-9.)
  1. Christianity divides mankind into two groups -- believers and nonbelievers
  2. And every human who ever died will be resurrected to life again
  3. Jesus was the first to be resurrected
  4. Next, every deceased believer will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual bodied life at the Second Coming of Christ
  5. At that same time, every living Christian will become a spiritual being and meet them in the air
  6. These spiritual bodied beings will then spend the 1000 year Millenium with Christ
  7. There will be no new believers accepting Christ during the Millennium as they have no teachers
  8. Following the Millennium, all deceased nonbelievers (the rest of the dead) will be resurrected as humans and face judgment
  9. Following judgment, those humans whose names are written in the Book of Life will be born again of the Spirit into the Kingdom of God.
  10. Those whose names are not written in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire and suffer their second and everlasting death
  11. The age of man is over when the last living human either receives everlasting spiritual life, or dies in the lake of fire

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #1]

It is true the the Bible does not say anything about an age of accountability, however, it is FALSE DOCTRINE to teach that babies inherit sin.

Ezekiel tells us quite the opposite.

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.” (Ezekiel 18:20-21)

No Scripture says an infant inherits the sin of Adam.

An infant does not know sin. How can he/she be held to account for something they know nothing about?

Did Jesus inherit the sin of Adam when Mary gave birth to Him? The Bible says that He was without sin (I Peter 2:22).

Why would Jesus say He wanted us to become like children to enter into heaven if they are born “in sin?”

And said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:3)

God did not create sinners.

Truly, this only I have found: That God made man upright,
But they have sought out many schemes.” (Ecclesiastes 7:29)


You quoted David (Psalm 51:5) without considering the fact that David fully expected to see his and Bathsheba’s baby in heaven one day. Apparently, David didn’t think of his infant son as a sinner. (2 Samuel 12:15-23)

Tell me Eddie, do you believe a newborn baby speaks lies? It seems you decided to isolate Psalm 58:3. Do you read the entire Psalm literally as you did verse 3?

It’s obvious that David was at his lowest point when he penned psalm 51. No doubt he wrote this Psalm after Nathan the prophet confronted David about the terrible sin he’d committed. David didn’t believe he inherited sin. Such belief would contradict too many other truths from Scripture.

The nature of sin itself denies the fact that we are born a sinner because of the action of someone else. Sin is a transgression of the law of God (I John 3:4). An infant knows nothing of God’s laws! Sin is not something that is transferred from one person to the other simply because they are descendants.
”For unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24

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Re: THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF "THE AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY"

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MissKate13 wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:54 am
It is true the the Bible does not say anything about an age of accountability, . . .

Here is its scriptural justification:

Sin is the transgression of God's laws, or commandments:

For sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4)

However, for a sin to be imputed, or counted against someone, that someone must first recognize that the act is a sin:

To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. (Romans 5:13)


Babies do not understand the law. The same case can be made for mental incompetents and the insane. The "not guilty by reason of insanity" defense is based on the same principal. There is also biblical evidence that this innocence of children even applied to Jesus Christ:

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. (Isaiah 7:14-16)

Suppose that Mary, Joseph, and Jesus are eating breakfast and Joseph instructs Jesus to stop playing with His food. If Jesus continues playing with His food, He has violated one of the Ten Commandments:

Honor thy father and thy mother... (Exodus 20:12)

However, if Jesus is six months of age at the time, it is not counted against Him as a sin because sin is knowingly transgressing one of God's laws. Since a six-month-old baby does not understand His father's request, it is not counted as a sin.

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Nonetheless, the age of accountability doctrine no longer applies under the New Testament Covenant, as under that covenant sin no longer controls our salvation:

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. (Romans 6:14)

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The New Testament indicates that every person who dies as a nonbeliever in Christ will be resurrected as humans a thousand years after the Second Coming and choose to accept or reject Jesus as their Savior at that time.

Nonbelievers who died as babies will be resurrected to grow, hear the good news of the gospel, and make their choice between everlasting life or everlasting death at that time.

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