Should ALL Christians eat and drink the emblems of Jesus?

[Eloi]

[tam]

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In my experience most Christians think you should drink the wine if you love Jesus and not drink it if you dont.

I guess alcoholics aren't allowed to Love Jesus if they're trying to stop drinking....

Grape juice would be just as fine. Wine is made from grapes after all, and grapes are a fruit of the vine. Nor does it matter if it is red wine or white wine (and so it would not matter if it was white grape juice or purple grape juice). I mean, if you were in a situation and you had nothing at all except water, then just use the water. God and His Son are not that exacting. The fact that you are doing as Christ commanded with whatever you have is what matters. That is what shows your love and your faith.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ Jaheshua,
tammy

So God has the power to turn water into wine, but not stop alcoholism when a person drinks in honor of God? Why doesn't God turn the wine back into water for them?

This does not make sense. Your original complaint was that an alcoholic who was trying to stop drinking could not partake if they loved [Jesus]. But an alcoholic (or a child) could drink non-fermented grapes (grape juice), or even water (if that is all they had). So what reason do you have to complain now? That someone is an alcoholic to begin with?

Let me guess, that would be evidence that God existed and we can't have that....

Turning wine into water or water into wine would be evidence of a miracle, sure. But if someone wants to eat and drink out of love for Christ, then they already have faith in Him to begin with (who loves someone they do not think exists?) But if someone does not believe God or His Son exists in the first place, then what motivation do they have to eat or drink to begin with?


Your comment just seems completely disjointed from your original comment. I am glad for your original comment though, so thank you! Because there must be some for whom this IS a concern, some wanting to say yes to Christ, to eat and drink of Him... but uncertain if they could still do so if they cannot drink alcohol.

So again, thank you - truly - for your question!


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To anyone listening,


Some want to make it harder for others to come to Christ, shutting the door to those who want to say "YES" to Him, to enter into the Kingdom of heaven. Not just Christ, but also the apostles spoke against doing that. (Matt 23:13; Acts 15:9)



Peace again to you, and to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I note the constant moving of goalposts by the religious when they defend their Faith. Mormons, Muslims and Christians alike.

I'm not sure if you are referring to me or not, but I moved no goalpost. I simply answered your concern about an alcoholic not wanting to drink alcohol.

I don't think it's important that people drink alcohol to show their allegiance to someone, yet, that's what a Christians claimed. So, do you disagree that people need to drink alcohol to honor God?
OK.
Others disagree.
What does God say? Seriously, what is God's opinion on the matter?

I did post what Christ said on the matter of eating and drinking the bread and wine that mean His flesh and blood.

My first post on this thread:

viewtopic.php?p=1114622#p1114622

There are subsequent posts as well.



Peace again to you.

I'm curious: Why do Christians eat and drink the flesh and blood of a human sacrifice?

Because Christians listen to Christ and He said to do so. See John 6, as well as the instructions at the last supper (the Lord's Supper), but also you could click the link provided above. Christ is the LIFE (think also the Tree of Life) from whom we must eat in order to live forever.

Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Are you Catholic? Do you believe it actually turns into Jesus's flesh and blood? Was Jesus a drunk? Is that why his blood is so alcoholic?

No I am not Catholic. And I truly have no idea what you are talking about with regard to "alcoholic blood". The bread means His flesh and the wine means His blood; you do have to discern these things, but the bread does not turn into literal human flesh.




Peace again to you.

[onewithhim]

I'm curious: Why do Christians eat and drink the flesh and blood of a human sacrifice?

Jehovah's Witnesses here:

We don't eat or drink any literal blood: bread and wine are symbolic of Jesus life. Rather like when people raise a glass in someone's memory, those that drink (or eat) are actually ingesting bread and wine (not blood and human flesh).



My understanding is only CATHOLICS belive the food is literally transformed miraculously inside their stomachs.

Right, according to Catholic doctrine, during the celebration of the Eucharist, the bread and wine are transubstantiated, which means that they are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, while still retaining their outward appearance of bread and wine. This transformation is believed to occur through the power of the Holy Spirit and the words spoken by the priest during the consecration.

Catholics believe that by consuming the Eucharist, they are receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ and thereby participating in a mystical union with Him. This practice is based on the words of Jesus at the Last Supper, where he said to his disciples, "Take and eat; this is my body" (Matthew 26:26).

This means Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus, the human sacrifice - a "child" sacrifice (since it was the parent who chose to accept the sacrifice and was the one who orchestrated it).

Transubstantiation goes against all that is holy. If Christ's actual body and blood are consumed, there is cannibalism going on. God would not want that. First of all, God forbids the ingesting of blood. (Acts 15:20,29) Is that command too trivial?

[boatsnguitars]

I'm curious: Why do Christians eat and drink the flesh and blood of a human sacrifice?

Jehovah's Witnesses here:

We don't eat or drink any literal blood: bread and wine are symbolic of Jesus life. Rather like when people raise a glass in someone's memory, those that drink (or eat) are actually ingesting bread and wine (not blood and human flesh).



My understanding is only CATHOLICS belive the food is literally transformed miraculously inside their stomachs.

Right, according to Catholic doctrine, during the celebration of the Eucharist, the bread and wine are transubstantiated, which means that they are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, while still retaining their outward appearance of bread and wine. This transformation is believed to occur through the power of the Holy Spirit and the words spoken by the priest during the consecration.

Catholics believe that by consuming the Eucharist, they are receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ and thereby participating in a mystical union with Him. This practice is based on the words of Jesus at the Last Supper, where he said to his disciples, "Take and eat; this is my body" (Matthew 26:26).

This means Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus, the human sacrifice - a "child" sacrifice (since it was the parent who chose to accept the sacrifice and was the one who orchestrated it).

Transubstantiation goes against all that is holy. If Christ's actual body and blood are consumed, there is cannibalism going on. God would not want that. First of all, God forbids the ingesting of blood. (Acts 15:20,29) Is that command too trivial?

Nicene Creed
We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

You'll have to take it up with the Pope to see if you can simply pick and choose which of these things you believe, and still call yourself a follower of Christ.

But, a rule check here. Are we allowed to disparage other religions and call them Satanic ("against all that is holy")? Because, I think that's exactly how the Catholic Church feels about every other denomination....

[JehovahsWitness]

You'll have to take it up with the Pope to see if you can simply pick and choose which of these things you believe, and still call yourself a follower of Christ....

I thought I was clear, I am one of JEHOVAHS WITNESSES not a Catholic. I could not care less about what the Pope thinks much less the Nicean creed. If the Pope said the sky was blue I'd demand a second opinon. I do not care how Catholic Church feels about any topic. I do care about the Catholic people however and always try and share bible truths with them whenever I can.

JWs base our beliefs directly on the bible and are concerned with meeting God's standards for worship not the Pope's.




Best Regards,

JEHOVAHS WITNESS

[tam]

Peace to you,

Jesus didn't tell ALL MODERN "CHRISTIANS" to partake the emblems at the memorial:

("Emblems at the memorial" is a religious term and not one that Christ used.)

But Christ DID tell the apostles to 'go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)' Think about that for a moment and then tell me where there is room for any disciple down the road to override that command and change it, and teach other disciples NOT to obey everything that Christ commanded the apostles?


But this and other things have already been covered throughout the thread, as has the post that you quoted from yourself:

viewtopic.php?p=1115168#p1115168



Peace again to you.

[tam]

[onewithhim]

I'm curious: Why do Christians eat and drink the flesh and blood of a human sacrifice?

Jehovah's Witnesses here:

We don't eat or drink any literal blood: bread and wine are symbolic of Jesus life. Rather like when people raise a glass in someone's memory, those that drink (or eat) are actually ingesting bread and wine (not blood and human flesh).



My understanding is only CATHOLICS belive the food is literally transformed miraculously inside their stomachs.

Right, according to Catholic doctrine, during the celebration of the Eucharist, the bread and wine are transubstantiated, which means that they are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ, while still retaining their outward appearance of bread and wine. This transformation is believed to occur through the power of the Holy Spirit and the words spoken by the priest during the consecration.

Catholics believe that by consuming the Eucharist, they are receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ and thereby participating in a mystical union with Him. This practice is based on the words of Jesus at the Last Supper, where he said to his disciples, "Take and eat; this is my body" (Matthew 26:26).

This means Christians eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus, the human sacrifice - a "child" sacrifice (since it was the parent who chose to accept the sacrifice and was the one who orchestrated it).

Transubstantiation goes against all that is holy. If Christ's actual body and blood are consumed, there is cannibalism going on. God would not want that. First of all, God forbids the ingesting of blood. (Acts 15:20,29) Is that command too trivial?

Nicene Creed
We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.

You'll have to take it up with the Pope to see if you can simply pick and choose which of these things you believe, and still call yourself a follower of Christ.

But, a rule check here. Are we allowed to disparage other religions and call them Satanic ("against all that is holy")? Because, I think that's exactly how the Catholic Church feels about every other denomination....

I don't honor that creed, as I see it as the fruit of Christians that have gone off the way and followed the twisted teachings of men, making them a part of the great Apostacy. Jesus' earliest followers warned of this great shifting from true Christianity, as did Jesus himself (Mathew chapter 13). Paul wrote: "For I know this, that after my departing, shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." (Acts 20:29,30, KJV) And they succeeded in forming the biggest faux Christian church of all time, raking in 1/3 of the world's population.

How do you see Acts 20:29,30 fulfilled?

If you disparage my religion, I can take it. I won't complain, I'll just answer whatever you post.

[boatsnguitars]

Why aren't you who Paul was talking about?

[historia]

My understanding is only CATHOLICS belive the food is literally transformed miraculously inside their stomachs.

I don't think any Christian church thinks that a change takes place inside the believer's stomach.

Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, and many Protestants churches believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and that change takes place during the Mass or service. The Roman Catholic doctrine on transubstantiation simply concerns how that happens.

[Eloi]