Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

[POI]

Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[POI]

The teachings of (Jesus) are clear in every translation. They point to who listens to him.

Since you can make this same exact argument for any alternative god claim, your argument does nothing to demonstrate it is any more true than any of it's claimed opponents. (i.e.)

The teachings of (X) are clear in every translation. They point to who listens to him.

[JoeyKnothead]

God doesnt answer any who practice sin.

I challenge you to show a god answers anyone.

Notice the implication here - that I am, or others are, 'sinners', while our accuser does nothing to show they know the mind of a god they can't show exists.

You might as well say something bad about our mothers for all your libel.

What bigotry, the bigotry that you make up in your mind because words dont fit your agenda?

See above.

3 righteous men, Shadrach, Meshach and Abendego, thrown into a firey furnace because they wouldnt bow to the babylonian God-- Not touched by the fire. God sent angels to save them-- These obviously prayed for help.

JoeyKnothead challenged you to demonstrate that God answers anyone, not merely cite an anecdotal and unfalsifiable ancient story.

The bible says--the wicked will demand proof.

The Joey says kjw47 is a lying dirtbag.

Do you see how hurling insults does nothing to support one's claims?

This defense mechanism of yours, this hurling of the insults, does nothing to confirm your challenged claims. It does, however, offer us some measure of confirmation for mine.

[kjw47]

God doesnt answer any who practice sin.

I challenge you to show a god answers anyone.

Notice the implication here - that I am, or others are, 'sinners', while our accuser does nothing to show they know the mind of a god they can't show exists.

You might as well say something bad about our mothers for all your libel.

What bigotry, the bigotry that you make up in your mind because words dont fit your agenda?

See above.

3 righteous men, Shadrach, Meshach and Abendego, thrown into a firey furnace because they wouldnt bow to the babylonian God-- Not touched by the fire. God sent angels to save them-- These obviously prayed for help.

JoeyKnothead challenged you to demonstrate that God answers anyone, not merely cite an anecdotal and unfalsifiable ancient story.

The bible says--the wicked will demand proof.

The Joey says kjw47 is a lying dirtbag.

Do you see how hurling insults does nothing to support one's claims?

This defense mechanism of yours, this hurling of the insults, does nothing to confirm your challenged claims. It does, however, offer us some measure of confirmation for mine.

I shared reality of what Gods word teaches-The righteous live by faith, the wicked demand proof. We all by ourselves pick the shoes we wear.

[brunumb]

I shared reality of what Gods word teaches-The righteous live by faith, the wicked demand proof. We all by ourselves pick the shoes we wear.

You shared religious propaganda. The deluded live by faith while the rational and realistic demand more. Some of us pick our own shoes while others have their shoes chosen for them.

[JoeyKnothead]

I shared reality of what Gods word teaches-The righteous live by faith, the wicked demand proof. We all by ourselves pick the shoes we wear.

You've shared claims devoid of any connection to reality, and libels devoid of any connection to reality.

While it'd be uncivil for me to call you a lying so-and-so, the observer's perfectly within their rights to think it.

We see your type often, who can only preach and slander - never putting truth to none of it. It's part and parcel for those who think their beliefs make em special in the eyes of a god they can't show exists.

Put your bible down, it's slanders and slurs, and debate with something other'n the dooficity with which you present yourself, and your claims.

[kjw47]

I shared reality of what Gods word teaches-The righteous live by faith, the wicked demand proof. We all by ourselves pick the shoes we wear.

You've shared claims devoid of any connection to reality, and libels devoid of any connection to reality.

While it'd be uncivil for me to call you a lying so-and-so, the observer's perfectly within their rights to think it.

We see your type often, who can only preach and slander - never putting truth to none of it. It's part and parcel for those who think their beliefs make em special in the eyes of a god they can't show exists.

Put your bible down, it's slanders and slurs, and debate with something other'n the dooficity with which you present yourself, and your claims.

Words straight from the darkness, You have picked the correct handle here at least. Its sad so many are lost, no wonder Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead)--

[kjw47]

I shared reality of what Gods word teaches-The righteous live by faith, the wicked demand proof. We all by ourselves pick the shoes we wear.

You shared religious propaganda. The deluded live by faith while the rational and realistic demand more. Some of us pick our own shoes while others have their shoes chosen for them.

God will show you.

[JoeyKnothead]

Words straight from the darkness, You have picked the correct handle here at least. Its sad so many are lost, no wonder Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead)--

You can't even show Jesus ever even existed, much less to've uttered him an utterance.

Face it, all you have is your preaching, and are incapable of putting you any truth to it.

Why is it god battles the darkness with such dim bulbs?

[Clownboat]

No, that came later. I think what led me to God was my discovery of the Fibonacci sequence, although I did not know anything about it at the time. You could say that I discovered God in a blade of grass. I was atheistic when 17-18 but when resting from mowing the lawn I sat down and rested with my back leaning against a tree and idly picked a blade of grass. In its order and symmetry I saw design and purpose. Then I saw it almost everywhere I looked! Over the next few years I went through a lot of stages from Deism through Roman Catholicism, and did examine many different religions including Islam. I found that Roman Catholicism was the absolute closest to my beliefs (although I do wonder about a few things taught there as well).

I wish you the fairest winds in your journey towards Him.

To the bold. Do you feel that is what most other religious people do as well? They have beliefs or feelings and then find an available religion that best matches their desires?

[Clownboat]

I shared reality of what Gods word teaches-The righteous live by faith, the wicked demand proof. We all by ourselves pick the shoes we wear.

You shared religious propaganda. The deluded live by faith while the rational and realistic demand more. Some of us pick our own shoes while others have their shoes chosen for them.

God will show you.

Thank goodness religious paranoia is not contagious!
Why not leave the scare tactics to the terrorists? Couldn't a real god do better?