The REAL original sin

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The REAL original sin

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We know that once Adam and Eve sinned they felt ashamed and that shame manifested itself physically and so they covered themselves with fig leaves and tried to hide because they were afraid.
God said to Adam Who told you that you were naked? Adding Did you eat from the tree (not verbatim)

HERE COMES THE ORIGINAL SIN:

Did Adam accept blame or responsibility for his disobedience? No.
Did he apologize? No

So who did he blame? Who did Eve blame?

Eve blamed the serpent saying I t beguiled her

Who did Adam blame? He said:
The woman you gave to be with me she gave it to me and I ate.
Eve? Is that who he is blaming? Read it again!
THE WOMAN YOU GAVE TO BE WITH ME.
"YOU GAVE"
Adam blamed God

Therefore if Adam said it was God who is guilty them he should suffer the consequences. And the consequences is death.
Christians carrying out (say they believe) that punishment. Having God die for their sins.

But Christians make the same mistake as Adam and Eve. By covering their sins with Jesus, or attempting to that is, they accuse himself. They know they've done wrong so they're trying to hide. But the fact that they think they need saving proves that they know that they have sinned. It's not that they don't know the law. They do know the law and they know they break it. They are their own witness against themselves.

Jesus is one big fig leaf. I thinking you need him only serves to prove that the law stands.

Do Christians ever say it's their fault for sinning? No. They say they were born that way that they can't change. In other words God made them that way. And they also blame the serpent / Satan. They never say it's their fault. THAT IS THE ORIGINAL SIN. THE INABILITY TO SAY IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT

Does anyone else see how Christians are like Adam and Eve? Is original sin really the inability to do good? Or is it the inability to accept responsibility for the sins you commit?

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Re: The REAL original sin

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Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 am ....Who did Adam blame? He said:
The woman you gave to be with me she gave it to me and I ate.
Eve? Is that who he is blaming? Read it again!
THE WOMAN YOU GAVE TO BE WITH ME.
"YOU GAVE"
Adam blamed God...
I don't think Adam blamed anyone, he just told what happened.
Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 am...
Christians carrying out (say they believe) that punishment. Having God die for their sins.
In Biblical point of view God did not die. It was Jesus who died and God raised him from death.
Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 amDo Christians ever say it's their fault for sinning? No. They say they were born that way that they can't change. In other words God made them that way. And they also blame the serpent / Satan. They never say it's their fault. THAT IS THE ORIGINAL SIN. THE INABILITY TO SAY IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT

Does anyone else see how Christians are like Adam and Eve? Is original sin really the inability to do good? Or is it the inability to accept responsibility for the sins you commit?
I don't know all Christians. I can only speak on my behalf and say, I don't blame God nor Satan for my sins, or mistakes. I don't think people are unable to do good. If I do something wrong, it is my fault.
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Re: The REAL original sin

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Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 am We know that once Adam and Eve sinned they felt ashamed and that shame manifested itself physically and so they covered themselves with fig leaves and tried to hide because they were afraid.
God said to Adam Who told you that you were naked? Adding Did you eat from the tree (not verbatim)

HERE COMES THE ORIGINAL SIN:

Did Adam accept blame or responsibility for his disobedience? No.
Did he apologize? No

So who did he blame? Who did Eve blame?

Eve blamed the serpent saying I t beguiled her

Who did Adam blame? He said:
The woman you gave to be with me she gave it to me and I ate.
Eve? Is that who he is blaming? Read it again!
THE WOMAN YOU GAVE TO BE WITH ME.
"YOU GAVE"
Adam blamed God
So far so good. This more or less agrees with the standard Christian belief.

Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 am Therefore if Adam said it was God who is guilty them he should suffer the consequences. And the consequences is death.
Christians carrying out (say they believe) that punishment. Having God die for their sins.
This is slightly off. Christians say that we have sinned and deserve death. God, in Jesus Christ, did not deserve to die. He was the only person in history who did not deserve death. He graciously went to the cross to die for us.
Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 am But Christians make the same mistake as Adam and Eve. By covering their sins with Jesus, or attempting to that is, they accuse himself. They know they've done wrong so they're trying to hide. But the fact that they think they need saving proves that they know that they have sinned. It's not that they don't know the law. They do know the law and they know they break it. They are their own witness against themselves.
I think I agree with this. We know that we have sinned and need a savior.

Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 am Jesus is one big fig leaf. I thinking you need him only serves to prove that the law stands.
Rather I would say that we need Jesus because without Jesus the law still stands. We are only free from the law because of Jesus.
Avoice wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 12:19 am Do Christians ever say it's their fault for sinning? No. They say they were born that way that they can't change. In other words God made them that way. And they also blame the serpent / Satan. They never say it's their fault. THAT IS THE ORIGINAL SIN. THE INABILITY TO SAY IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT
I have got to disagree here. One of the essentials of the Christian faith is that we are sinners. We are responsible for our actions. Jesus famously said something about only coming to save sinners. If someone does not believe that they have sinned and need saving then I would say that Christianity has nothing for them.
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Re: The REAL original sin

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[Replying to bjs1 in post #3]
Rather, I would say that we need Jesus because without Jesus the law still stands. We are only free from the law because of Jesus.
Jesus is the Almighty God; why would we not be free from the Law without Jesus, who is always with mankind across all generations? Without Jesus, there would be no law. Does the salvation of the people who were under the law differ from our salvation today, who are not under the law?

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Re: The REAL original sin

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[Replying to Avoice in post #1]

The original sin was Adam and Eve's disobedience toward God's command to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Galatians 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

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