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Did you know that Atheism is a religion?

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WHAT?


I AM SWEDISH, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. !!!!!


You need to DEFINE religion, and when you done that, we need to accept your "definition" of "religion" as it must be logical, and if you refuse, we use ANOTHER WORD, lets say "URP" is the word for believing in deities and spiritual world. "IPS" means Lack of Belief in his....

So you gona call us urp now? EVEN when we just defined it as the opposite? As this is what you do.. IM IPS OK. IM IPS, LACK OF, im NOT URP.

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A person's religion is the sum total of his beliefs about God and the supernatural. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are the three largest "monotheistic" religions, with belief one God, Creator Of The Universe.

Some religions are "polytheistic," with belief in many gods, each with different functions.

Atheism is the religion whose belief about God is that there is no God.

Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, assert that Atheism is not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. This allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies which insist on "separation of church and state."

But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color. The car I drive is a big, old Chevrolet, whose color is black. In common practice throughout the world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical definition of the physicists. Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion, despite any technical definitions to the contrary.

If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.

If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. In particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.

But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught, particularly in the public schools.

When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as fact, that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.

The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them to establish Atheism as our State Religion!

When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that is establishing the religion of Atheism. Wherever the State permits Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is establishing the religion of Atheism.

Therefore I urge you to understand clearly in your mind that Atheism is a religion, just as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are religions. And any restrictions placed on Christianity, Judaism, or Islam must also be placed on Atheism. Atheism must not be allowed to slip through its little loophole any longer, by pretending it is not a religion.

Blessings to you in the name of the One God, Creator of the Universe.

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Scrotum wrote:WHAT?


I AM SWEDISH, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. !!!!!


You need to DEFINE religion, and when you done that, we need to accept your "definition" of "religion" as it must be logical, and if you refuse, we use ANOTHER WORD, lets say "URP" is the word for believing in deities and spiritual world. "IPS" means Lack of Belief in his....

So you gona call us urp now? EVEN when we just defined it as the opposite? As this is what you do.. IM IPS OK. IM IPS, LACK OF, im NOT URP.
Well in America, Atheism is religious.

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BigChrisfilm wrote:
Scrotum wrote:WHAT?


I AM SWEDISH, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. !!!!!


You need to DEFINE religion, and when you done that, we need to accept your "definition" of "religion" as it must be logical, and if you refuse, we use ANOTHER WORD, lets say "URP" is the word for believing in deities and spiritual world. "IPS" means Lack of Belief in his....

So you gona call us urp now? EVEN when we just defined it as the opposite? As this is what you do.. IM IPS OK. IM IPS, LACK OF, im NOT URP.
Well in America, Atheism is religious.

OK, I accept. THERE YOU GO YOU OTHER AMERICANS ON THE FORUM, I KNEW you where religious, filthy American-Atheist Religion... My Scandinavian-Atheism is NOT a religion, even BIG accepted that.
But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color.
No Big, once again, seriously. "Black" is the absence of light, so good simile. ABSENCE such as Atheism, haha, you know, lack of? Black is very much a color as this is defined as a visual aribute of some kind (White, Black, as example). Black is absence of light, And white is the most amount of light.

How can a physicisy say "black" "toal absence of COLOR", ? So what there INSTEAD? If its not color WHAT IS IT? (Visual atribue remember). When you look at snow, it only LOOKS whie because of the REFLECIONS from the light, but its actually Transparent (color-less)...

Get it ?

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Scrotum wrote:
BigChrisfilm wrote:
Scrotum wrote:WHAT?


I AM SWEDISH, I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION. !!!!!


You need to DEFINE religion, and when you done that, we need to accept your "definition" of "religion" as it must be logical, and if you refuse, we use ANOTHER WORD, lets say "URP" is the word for believing in deities and spiritual world. "IPS" means Lack of Belief in his....

So you gona call us urp now? EVEN when we just defined it as the opposite? As this is what you do.. IM IPS OK. IM IPS, LACK OF, im NOT URP.
Well in America, Atheism is religious.

OK, I accept. THERE YOU GO YOU OTHER AMERICANS ON THE FORUM, I KNEW you where religious, filthy American-Atheist Religion... My Scandinavian-Atheism is NOT a religion, even BIG accepted that.
But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color.
No Big, once again, seriously. "Black" is the absence of light, so good simile. ABSENCE such as Atheism, haha, you know, lack of? Black is very much a color as this is defined as a visual aribute of some kind (White, Black, as example). Black is absence of light, And white is the most amount of light.

How can a physicisy say "black" "toal absence of COLOR", ? So what there INSTEAD? If its not color WHAT IS IT? (Visual atribue remember). When you look at snow, it only LOOKS whie because of the REFLECIONS from the light, but its actually Transparent (color-less)...

Get it ?
Kind of like how Evil is the lack of God? Or Cold is the lack of Hot? Why did the atheist tell me that wasn't a valid arguement, and here you are, making a similar one. Do you pick and choose?

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BigChrisfilm wrote:[...]Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, assert that Atheism is not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. This allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies which insist on "separation of church and state."

But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color. The car I drive is a big, old Chevrolet, whose color is black. In common practice throughout the world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical definition of the physicists. Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion, despite any technical definitions to the contrary.

If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.
And bald is a hairstyle, naked is clothing, stopped is a velocity, empty is a quantity, free is a price (or would that be 'not for sale' is a price?), absolute zero is a temperature, abandoned is a population, vacuum is a gas, a parking lot is a building, ...

Context is everything. In terms of light, black is the absence of colour. In terms of paint, transparent is the absence of colour.
BigChrisfilm wrote:If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. In particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.

But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught, particularly in the public schools.

When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as fact, that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.

In my country, and I suspect in yours too, teachers in publicly run school boards are not allowed to teach religion. They are not allowed to teach that God is AND they are not allowed to teach that God is not. They do not teach Creationism (your courts have ruled that it is religion). They do teach the science behind evolution. They do not teach theistic evolution or atheistic evolution. They teach evolution. You might believe that there is no such thing as theistic evolution, but you would be wrong.
BigChrisfilm wrote:The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them to establish Atheism as our State Religion!
I thought that your constitution prohibited any state religion. As far as I can tell, your state does not deny or affirm god or religion.
BigChrisfilm wrote:When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that is establishing the religion of Atheism. Wherever the State permits Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is establishing the religion of Atheism.
Would that free discussion of God be teacher led evangelism? The state prohibits religious indoctrination in the schools. Atheism is also not allowed to be taught. Teachers would be strongly reprimanded for teaching that there is no god as much as for teaching that there is a god. It is the non-establishment of religion, otherwise known as secularism. The establishment of atheism has been tried. It is not a good idea, either.
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BigChrisfilm wrote:[...]Some Atheists, for their own political reasons, assert that Atheism is not a religion but instead is the total absence of religion. This allows them to spread their Atheistic beliefs freely in societies which insist on "separation of church and state."

But this is like saying that "black," (which physicists define as the total absence of color) is not a color. The car I drive is a big, old Chevrolet, whose color is black. In common practice throughout the world, "black" is understood to be a color, despite the technical definition of the physicists. Likewise, "Atheism" is a religion, despite any technical definitions to the contrary.

If black is a color, then Atheism is a religion.
And bald is a hairstyle, naked is clothing, stopped is a velocity, empty is a quantity, free is a price (or would that be 'not for sale' is a price?), absolute zero is a temperature, abandoned is a population, vacuum is a gas, a parking lot is a building, ...

Context is everything. In terms of light, black is the absence of colour. In terms of paint, transparent is the absence of colour.
BigChrisfilm wrote:If Atheism is a religion, then it must be subject to the same legal restrictions imposed by governments on all other religions. In particular, in the United States, the teaching of Atheism must be prohibited wherever the teaching of Christianity is prohibited.

But where is Atheism being taught? Atheism is being taught, by default, in all places where other religions cannot be taught, particularly in the public schools.

When the State mandates that the Theory of Evolution be taught as fact, that is establishing the religion of Atheism, because the Theory of Evolution asserts that all life forms are created not by God, but by pre-existing natural processes. This is pure Atheism! If we are not created by God, then there might as well be no God, for all the difference He makes.

In my country, and I suspect in yours too, teachers in publicly run school boards are not allowed to teach religion. They are not allowed to teach that God is AND they are not allowed to teach that God is not. They do not teach Creationism (your courts have ruled that it is religion). They do teach the science behind evolution. They do not teach theistic evolution or atheistic evolution. They teach evolution. You might believe that there is no such thing as theistic evolution, but you would be wrong.
BigChrisfilm wrote:The mere fact that many scientists are Atheists does not entitle them to establish Atheism as our State Religion!
I thought that your constitution prohibited any state religion. As far as I can tell, your state does not deny or affirm god or religion.
BigChrisfilm wrote:When the State prohibits free discussion of God in the classroom, that is establishing the religion of Atheism. Wherever the State permits Atheistic ideas to be spread but prohibits Theistic ideas, that is establishing the religion of Atheism.
Would that free discussion of God be teacher led evangelism? The state prohibits religious indoctrination in the schools. Atheism is also not allowed to be taught. Teachers would be strongly reprimanded for teaching that there is no god as much as for teaching that there is a god. It is the non-establishment of religion, otherwise known as secularism. The establishment of atheism has been tried. It is not a good idea, either.
You know what is funny. Our state religion has been turned to Atheism. We only have about at the most 1/3 of the population atheist, but they have taken over our country by default. I think it is rediculous. They want us to take God out of everything, our pledge of allegence. Our 10 commandments. That is a whole nother issue however.

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BigChrisfilm wrote:Our state religion has been turned to Atheism. We only have about at the most 1/3 of the population atheist, but they have taken over our country by default. I think it is rediculous. They want us to take God out of everything, our pledge of allegence. Our 10 commandments. That is a whole nother issue however.
You are missing the point.

Your pledge of allegence is a form of established religion. By having a state sanctioned pledge which refers to a specific deity, you have an established religion. Removing the reference to god from the pledge and from your money, is not establishing atheism, it is dis-establishing the religions which refer to the deity as "God". Would you object if you money had "In Allah we trust" printed on it? Would you object if the state insisted that your country is "one nation under Allah"?
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McCulloch wrote:
BigChrisfilm wrote:Our state religion has been turned to Atheism. We only have about at the most 1/3 of the population atheist, but they have taken over our country by default. I think it is rediculous. They want us to take God out of everything, our pledge of allegence. Our 10 commandments. That is a whole nother issue however.
You are missing the point.

Your pledge of allegence is a form of established religion. By having a state sanctioned pledge which refers to a specific deity, you have an established religion. Removing the reference to god from the pledge and from your money, is not establishing atheism, it is dis-establishing the religions which refer to the deity as "God". Would you object if you money had "In Allah we trust" printed on it? Would you object if the state insisted that your country is "one nation under Allah"?
Look our constatution of the United States says we are all CREATED equal. That our CREATOR has given us unalienable rights. Do you think we need to take that out too? I am sure it will be one day.

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BigChrisfilm wrote:Our state religion has been turned to Atheism. We only have about at the most 1/3 of the population atheist, but they have taken over our country by default. I think it is rediculous. They want us to take God out of everything, our pledge of allegence. Our 10 commandments. That is a whole nother issue however.
McCulloch wrote:You are missing the point.

Your pledge of allegence is a form of established religion. By having a state sanctioned pledge which refers to a specific deity, you have an established religion. Removing the reference to god from the pledge and from your money, is not establishing atheism, it is dis-establishing the religions which refer to the deity as "God". Would you object if you money had "In Allah we trust" printed on it? Would you object if the state insisted that your country is "one nation under Allah"?
BigChrisfilm wrote:Look our constatution of the United States says we are all CREATED equal. That our CREATOR has given us unalienable rights. Do you think we need to take that out too? I am sure it will be one day.
You did not answer the question or address the issue.
However, to answer your question, yes, those markedly deist remarks probably should be replaced. Why not?
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