The Trinity is illogical and irrational.
If The Son = God and The Father = God and the Spirit = God then The Son = The Father = The Spirit.
Which obviously is not the case since all three interact with each other as separate entities and did different things in the biblical stories.
The Son, The Father and The Spirit can form God together but not each be totally God.
1+1+1 = 3 and not 1.
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 equals to 1 of course. But that's not what the Christian dogma says.
So is there anyone in here claiming that the Trinity can be explained logically and rationally?
The Trinity is illogical and irrational.
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Some will claim that
1 × 1 × 1 = 3
explains it.
It does not.
As far as I understand it, it is comparable to the wave particle duality. It cannot be rationally explained yet it is the necessary conclusion from in the case of wave particle duality the evidence and in the case of Trinity, what is in the Bible and accepted Christian theology.
1 × 1 × 1 = 3
explains it.
It does not.
As far as I understand it, it is comparable to the wave particle duality. It cannot be rationally explained yet it is the necessary conclusion from in the case of wave particle duality the evidence and in the case of Trinity, what is in the Bible and accepted Christian theology.
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Of course it does not (and I guess you mean 1x1x1=1?).McCulloch wrote:Some will claim that
1 × 1 × 1 = 3
explains it.
It does not.
I never found that analogy satisfying though.As far as I understand it, it is comparable to the wave particle duality. It cannot be rationally explained yet it is the necessary conclusion from in the case of wave particle duality the evidence and in the case of Trinity, what is in the Bible and accepted Christian theology.
But at least we've got evidence for the wave particle duality. Unlike in the case of the Trinity where we have none.
The Trinity also creates a whole bunch of contradictions and incoherences.
If The Son is God then was Heaven empty when the Son was walking around on the planet? And if Heaven was not empty then how can The Son have been God? Some 'thing' was left then which was not The Son. etc.
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Celsus wrote:
I asked about this many times while attending a private Christian school. The answer I got was an analogy to time. It was something along the lines of, "Time encompasses the past, the present, and the future...as does God encompass Holy spirit, Jesus, and The Father."
That explanation never worked for me, because the three entities describes as "god" seem to be either interacting with each other, as you mentioned, or they are in the same place at the same time. This is unlike the time analogy, in that the past, present, and future do not overlap (as far as I know).
This would eventually lead to discussing the stream of time and if god can act outside the known boundaries of space/time...which I stayed away from. I just flat out admitted to them- I don't know if god even exists, so I will not claim qualities or give attributes to something that is unknown.
I hope someone will be able to explain it for you though, as I am interested in this as well.
I agree.The Trinity is illogical and irrational.
I asked about this many times while attending a private Christian school. The answer I got was an analogy to time. It was something along the lines of, "Time encompasses the past, the present, and the future...as does God encompass Holy spirit, Jesus, and The Father."
That explanation never worked for me, because the three entities describes as "god" seem to be either interacting with each other, as you mentioned, or they are in the same place at the same time. This is unlike the time analogy, in that the past, present, and future do not overlap (as far as I know).
This would eventually lead to discussing the stream of time and if god can act outside the known boundaries of space/time...which I stayed away from. I just flat out admitted to them- I don't know if god even exists, so I will not claim qualities or give attributes to something that is unknown.
I hope someone will be able to explain it for you though, as I am interested in this as well.
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No one knows God's essence. We have fathers who have given us models, and how the trinitarian nature of God is a model for everyday life but that is about it.
Tesla of all people once said "I still don't know what electricity is". Maybe it's kinda like that.
Tesla of all people once said "I still don't know what electricity is". Maybe it's kinda like that.
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for the sake of the debate, are the terms 'illogical' and 'irrational' being used in a pejorative sense?
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So you can't explain the Trinity?Faith Leads to Knowledge wrote:No one knows God's essence. We have fathers who have given us models, and how the trinitarian nature of God is a model for everyday life but that is about it.
Tesla of all people once said "I still don't know what electricity is". Maybe it's kinda like that.
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I think the Trinidadian position was a battle fought among orthodox Christians that divide East and West. The Greek West had the Greek language and philosophy while the West had the writings. The West wanted Jesus and God to be equal while the East saw God the Father as above Jesus. It is a question about Jesus being fully divine and full human and preexistence.Faith Leads to Knowledge wrote:No one knows God's essence. We have fathers who have given us models, and how the trinitarian nature of God is a model for everyday life but that is about it.
Tesla of all people once said "I still don't know what electricity is". Maybe it's kinda like that.
The West won and they made Jesus fully human and fully divine and it is about essence as they insisted Jesus was made from God stuff.