There is Direct Evidence of Gen 1, and none for the Big Bang & Human Evolution.

[RBD]

Normally it's us believers in creation of the universe and man by God, that have to answer to unbelievers. But what about the believers in a universe and man made without God. Shouldn't they also have to answer to us unbelievers? Yes, of course, especially since Gen 1 is stated as fact, while the Big Bang and human evolution are not stated as fact, but only theory.

That fact alone alone proves any universe and man made without God, is not a factual argument. Where no fact is claimed, there is no fact to be argued. Only where fact is claimed, can there be any argument of fact.

In the factual argument of Gen 1, there is daily direct evidence of God's creating all the stars set apart from one another, God creating men and women in His own image: The universe of stars are self-evidently set apart from one another, and are never in the same place at any time. And, all men and women are self-evidently set apart from all animals, and are never the same creature at any time.

In the theoretical argument of the Big Bang and human evolution, there is no direct evidence of all the stars ever being in the same place at their beginning, nor of any man or woman ever being a male or female ape from our beginning. There is no evidence of a Big Bang starting place, nor of an ape-man or woman.

Gen 1 states as fact, that in their beginning God creates all the stars, as lights of an expansive universe turned on all at the same time. This is daily seen in the universe. While, the Big Bang is stated as a theory alone, that all the stars began as an explosion of light from one place. This was never seen nor proven by direct evidence of the event.

Gen 1 also states as fact, that in our own beginning God creates all men and women in His own image, as persons uniquely different from all animals. While the human evolution theory, states that all persons began as a birth of man from ape. That was never seen nor proven by direct evidence of the event.

There's more in-depth clarification to follow, if anyone wants to take a look. But, the argument is as self-explanatory, as it is self-evident. (Unless of course anyone can show any error in the argument, whether with the explanation and/or the facts and theories as stated...)

[bluegreenearth]

[Replying to POI in post #650]

If RBD's response to your post is just more trolling, please report it to the mods. We have been courteous and tolerant up until this point for the sake of the audience's potential benefit, but enough is enough with this interlocutor's persistent intellectual dishonesty.

[POI]

[Replying to POI in post #650]

If RBD's response to your post is just more trolling, please report it to the mods. We have been courteous and tolerant up until this point for the sake of the audience's potential benefit, but enough is enough with this interlocutor's persistent intellectual dishonesty.

He's merely skipping it. I'm not so sure he is trolling?.?.?. Maybe yes, maybe no? However, I'm continuously around folks who possess the same epistemology. It's called having 'blinders.'

[RBD]

Ideologues stating humans are animals, are irrationally denying observable fact. Which by the way, is only observed by people, because animals can't even think to observe such things. They see different physical shapes and characteristics, but they have no rational sense of spiritual and intellectual difference. Humans are animals ideologues can play dumb like animals, but they only do so by the power of being people, not animals...

Taken from basic biology:

Humans are classified as animals within the biological kingdom Animalia. This classification is based on shared characteristics such as being multicellular, eukaryotic, heterotrophic (not producing their own food), and possessing the ability for independent movement. The term "animal" in a biological context refers to organisms within this broad kingdom, encompassing everything from insects to mammals, including humans.

Biological Classification of Humans

Kingdom: Animalia: Humans belong to this kingdom because they share fundamental traits with other animals, such as being multicellular, eukaryotic, and unable to make their own food.

Phylum: Chordata: Humans are chordates because they possess a backbone.

Class: Mammalia: Humans are mammals, distinguished by having hair and producing milk to feed their young.

Order: Primates: Within the mammal class, humans are placed in the order Primates, sharing characteristics like opposable thumbs with other primates, such as gorillas and chimpanzees.

Genus: Homo: Our species belongs to the genus Homo, with Homo sapiens being the only living species within it.

Understanding the "Animal" Terminology

While the word "animal" is often used colloquially to mean "not human," in a scientific context, humans are a distinct species of animal. Just as dogs and cats are different but both animals, humans are different from other animals but still belong to the same biological kingdom

Science is speaking only of the human physical body, which the Bible first states for all natural flesh on earth.

Ideologues abusing the science, dispense with the physical bodies qualifier, and declare humans to be animals.

Human bodies are like all natural bodies on earth, and more similar to some than others. Humans are not animals, nor a species of animal. That's ideological taxonomy. Biblical, scientific, and observable taxonomy, is that human physical bodies are the same as all animals on the earth.

[POI]

Science is speaking only of the human physical body, which the Bible first states for all natural flesh on earth.

Ideologues abusing the science, dispense with the physical bodies qualifier, and declare humans to be animals.

Human bodies are like all natural bodies on earth, and more similar to some than others. Humans are not animals, nor a species of animal. That's ideological taxonomy. Biblical, scientific, and observable taxonomy, is that human physical bodies are the same as all animals on the earth.

This is why I keep bringing up the other part, for which you perpetually SKIP. See post 650.

[RBD]

Science is speaking only of the human physical body, which the Bible first states for all natural flesh on earth.

Ideologues abusing the science, dispense with the physical bodies qualifier, and declare humans to be animals.

Human bodies are like all natural bodies on earth, and more similar to some than others. Humans are not animals, nor a species of animal. That's ideological taxonomy. Biblical, scientific, and observable taxonomy, is that human physical bodies are the same as all animals on the earth.

This is why I keep bringing up the other part, for which you perpetually SKIP. See post 650.

I only respond a couple times to the same point, to avoid useless debate.

[RBD]

[Replying to POI in post #650]

If RBD's response to your post is just more trolling, please report it to the mods. We have been courteous and tolerant up until this point for the sake of the audience's potential benefit, but enough is enough with this interlocutor's persistent intellectual dishonesty.

It's not possible to troll someone by not answering their posts.

Since you have now shown your personal animosity toward people that continue to disagree with you, with a willingness to have people shut down under false pretense, then I'll no longer respond to any post of yours anywhere in the future.

The opposite of trolling.

Goodbye.

[POI]

[Replying to RBD in post #655]

But you merely were typing 'words' and then hitting [submit]. They were nothing more than a hand-wave. I've clearly explained why your prior 'responses' were very much insufficient. Again, until you debunk P1) and/or P2) of post 650, you have instead admitted defeat in this entire topic. You made your own bed; you now need to lie in it.

[bluegreenearth]

[Replying to RBD in post #656]

That post has also been reported to the mods for violating this forum's terms of service.

[bluegreenearth]

Reminder:
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[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #655]

But you merely were typing 'words' and then hitting [submit]. They were nothing more than a hand-wave. I've clearly explained why your prior 'responses' were very much insufficient.

Insufficient to you. Not to me.

Again, until you debunk P1) and/or P2) of post 650, you have instead admitted defeat in this entire topic. You made your own bed; you now need to lie in it.

No problem. You win the endless posting duel. I gave up many posts ago.

If you have anything new to offer, then I'll be glad to look at it. In the meantime, I may give a summary of results, that I've discovered during the exchange, when it was useful. They're interesting to me.