How exactly did Jesus resurrection happen❓

[The Nice Centurion]

If a world religion claimed that 2000 years ago someone built a time machine, then people would fall over their own feet to constantly ask: "How excactly did this time machine work?"

But now we have in the bible a a main protagonist resurrect from being dead and no one, neither Christian nor Sceptic ever, bothers to ask:
"How exactly did Jesus resurrection happen?"

Marvel fans are known to intensively debate questions like:
"How exactly does Spidermans power of sticking to walls and ceilings work?"

But no one on earth gives a damn about how exactly worked "The Resurrection"!


My first question for debate: Why is that so


Now lets first see what "resurrection" is supposed to mean.

First: A resurrected being in the bible is not undead like Count Dracula as a Vampyre, who has no biological bodily functions anymore and is kept undead alive by magic alone.

A truly resurrected being is supposed to have regained live and full biological bodily functions out of the state of being truly dead.
And he is therefore not being kept alive by magic alone, though magic m i g h t have triggered his resurrection.

Everyone agrees that Jesus is supposed to have been "really dead" ! By current medical definition that does mean already brain dead.

This is the state anyone must reach to honestly resurrect.
For we have semi dead people waking up from clinical death all the time and no one is claiming miracle of resurrection for them.

But lets see what naturally happens after brain death:
"Decomposition (of the brain) often occurs within minutes after death, which is quicker than other body tissues, likely because the brain is about 80% water. Rotting starts in normal ambient temperature at about 3 days, and the brain is essentially vaporized within 5-10 years."

Said all that we can begin trying to find out how Jesus resurrection might have happened in detail.

Bible gives a hint by intensively implicating that Jesus resurrection was triggered by magic.

Bible explains that Jesus died sometime P.M. during first day, was dead the whole second day and resurrected on third day before daybreak.
(Lets say he was dead for somewhat 36 hours.)

Now, said all that; What is possible?

Magic, as the Great Joe Quesada stated when he destroyed the Spiderman comic series for the fans, must not be explained.

But what that magic did do can be researched.

Did magic stop Jesus brain and therefore his body too from decomposing, kept it in a somewhat timeless state and make him arise 36 hours later?

Did Jesus naturally decompose and magic made him re-decompose later to let him be able to better resurrect?

And then we have still the problem that Jesus died supposedly on the cross because fatal hurts and woundings to his body caused his heart to stop.

How therefore did his body compensate this fatal wounds, to still be able to resurrect?

I will stop here explaining, starting the debate with the second and main question:


How exactly did Jesus resurrection happen

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #49]
Yet another possibility; Jesus was never laid inside this tomb, for whatever reason.

Then the roman guards were invented for substituting the lie that he laid inside.

Then the tomb of course was found open, 'cause unused it was never closed.

Then the angelic young men at the empty tomb were invented to substitute the lie that it was the right tomb and until recently occupied.

If all that was consciously invented then it is understandable that no resurrection inventor would like people who look too closely at the riddle about the mechanics of THE RESURRECTION.

"Buy into The Resurrection. Swallow it. Live to preach it." is the message.

"But hear; Never but never shalt thou ask about the mechanics of THE RESURRECTION!"

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #49]
Yet another possibility; Jesus was never laid inside this tomb, for whatever reason.

Then the roman guards were invented for substituting the lie that he laid inside.

Then the tomb of course was found open, 'cause unused it was never closed.

Then the angelic young men at the empty tomb were invented to substitute the lie that it was the right tomb and until recently occupied.

If all that was consciously invented then it is understandable that no resurrection inventor would like people who look too closely at the riddle about the mechanics of THE RESURRECTION.

"Buy into The Resurrection. Swallow it. Live to preach it." is the message.

"But hear; Never but never shalt thou ask about the mechanics of THE RESURRECTION!"

If the wholeclaim is as doubtful as you suggest, then discussing the mechanics of it is as much a waste of effort as discussing the biology of the Pon farr.

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #52]
You should know that in german translation of episode "Weltraumfieber" important details of the Pon Farr are explained different than in the english original version.

Now, from Vulcan Academy of Sciences back to the drawing board of The Resurrection;

I once saw a TV Documentation about all possible ways to create artificial live. Three ways were outlined:
1) The biological medical method (Monster of Frankenstein)
2) The technical mechanical way (I Robot) and
3) The magical method (Golem)

Perhaps we should tackle the misterys of The Resurrection also from this point of view.

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #52]
You should know that in german translation of episode "Weltraumfieber" important details of the Pon Farr are explained different than in the english original version.

Now, from Vulcan Academy of Sciences back to the drawing board of The Resurrection;

I once saw a TV Documentation about all possible ways to create artificial live. Three ways were outlined:
1) The biological medical method (Monster of Frankenstein)
2) The technical mechanical way (I Robot) and
3) The magical method (Golem)

Perhaps we should tackle the misterys of The Resurrection also from this point of view.

Only as fanfiction, not as historical fact, that's the point. People with particular interests can discuss the details of Vulcan psychology, Dwarvish economics or Orc- society, and even believe it so Simon Whistler can make a video laughing at it. But it has no place in regular life, science or especially, politics.

[TRANSPONDER]

sorry hit submit when it was presented a second time.

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #54]
Not you and me, but the whole Christianity takes it as a historic fact. Often they call it the best attested to fact in history. Always they call it the most important fact in history.

And always they avoid like plague researching the mechanics of the resurrection.

Not even the firmest believers want to talk about the mechanics of the resurrection.

You say they do it (or rather dont do it) to save face. To not having their belief exploding into their faces.

But that reason they cant tell themselves. What is the reason they would officially claim

[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #54]
Not you and me, but the whole Christianity takes it as a historic fact. Often they call it the best attested to fact in history. Always they call it the most important fact in history.

And always they avoid like plague researching the mechanics of the resurrection.

Not even the firmest believers want to talk about the mechanics of the resurrection.

You say they do it (or rather dont do it) to save face. To not having their belief exploding into their faces.

But that reason they cant tell themselves. What is the reason they would officially claim

Of course all Christendom believes that. All Muslims believe that Muhammad flew to heaven on a magic horse. That does not make it true. Even if the reported events of resurrection night were reliable, that does not rule out a natural explanation which early Christian editors reworked to support their beliefs. But the reports of the events of that night are not reliable because they contradict so badly.

For that reason I see no point in asking how it happened when I don't believe it ever did happen.

Of course many do and they can discuss what they like. I merely suggests that this is a faithbased and doctrinal approach that needs to be rethought. But that could take time if it happens at all.

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #57]
More than 100 years ago a prominent christian movement who believed the bible word for word wanted to find natural explanations for all miracles including The Resurrection. Here they could have shaked hands with early atheists when them also believed the bible to be a history book and researched for natural explanations.

Though The Resurrection is primal Dogma in christianity, still there for sure are some % christians today who do not believe in a bodily resurrection of Christ.

Also Mohammeds journey into heaven on a fliyng horse is not believed by all muhammedans for sure. It can easily be seen as a metaphor too.

But Argument from majority and Argument from quantity are fallacys anyway and that is not what I meant.

There are so many (public) debates between christians and non christians about if or not The Resurrection really happened.

But both sides never touch the issue of the supposed mechanics of The Resurrection.

[TRANSPONDER]

Well all true, but if some muslims doubt some of the Quranic claims, some surely insist they are all true. Just the same with the Christians.

With the believers, I ask why believe the Bible if you reject the Quran?

And for the ones who doubt parts of either Bible or Quran, what about the rest? I think I said before that discussing the possible mechanics might throw up worthwhile points, but the reasons I don't believe are based on the text itself and science and history asking questions.



I love a deconversion story.

come to think pof it, this one is good, too - particul;arly the excuses about God not answering an appeal to be answered. Never mind me posting screeds, these are people who fought to remaion in belief, and could not.



Smart and rational guy. I don't know if he is still theist. It doesn't matter. His doubts and reasoning bear attention. Especially about what "Following Jesus" means.

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #59]
Believers of all kinds who believe in the sort of miracles that per definition are impossible, dislike very much discussing the possible mechanics of their miracles.

As another example; I invested thoughts today about how my favorite miracle in Mohammeds biography could have happened:
At some point at the beginning of his career Mohammed had to watch as the stones and the threes shouted to him "You are the Prophet of god!".

Did the stones and threes around the place where Mohammed was spending time suddenly grow mouths, brains & the inner organs needed to speak arabic? How could they move their mouths if their wooden and stoned essences were too unsoft to retain movable mouths.

But exactly that kind of theoretical research believers will never touch, because they could make a laughing stock out of themselves.