Do you really care that I am going to hell?

[Cmass]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist. I don't think you really truly believe any of your non-believing family will either. I think deep down, you know it just isn't true.

If you do believe they will all fry and are not doing absolutely everything in your power to stop it, I would suggest that you are a very cold, dispassionate person. If you really believed your dearly beloved mother was going to burn in hell right next to Cmass and Charles Manson then you would stop at nothing to convince her to accept Jesus. You would not just gently encourage, you would be emotionally and perhaps even physically engaged on a daily and hourly basis. You most certainly would not be reading this silly OP right now. Not if you REALLY cared.

Think about it. If you saw your mother being beaten by someone on the street, would you stop to help save her? Would you put your own life at risk to keep her from drowning? Is there anything you would not do to help her? OK, what about eternal torture in hell? Doesn't this concern you? What about all the other people in your life who are going to hell? Doesn't this leave you feeling devastated? If I believed there was a hell and that so many people would be going - especially any of my friends or family - I would be in constant agony myself and would devote my life to stopping it. Or, I would be numb.

Does your knowledge that so many people will be in eternal torture bother you very much on a daily basis?

This OP came about after reading commentary by some of our more conservative Christian friends in here. Some seem to have no real problem with all us atheists burning in hell forever. Granted, there are probably some personal anger issues involved but still, I have always been uneasy with how casual many Christians are when it comes to discussing eternal damnation. Some get more upset over running over a kitty than the eternal torture of their best friend.

Nonetheless, I give most the benefit of the doubt: I don't think they are really that cold. I just don't think they really believe as much in the hell concept as they report.

[Goat]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist.

I DO should you really cleave and cling on to your faith of being an atheist unto your death, and that is no joke on my part.

So you interpret hell as something akin to Dantes inferno? Where in scripture would you say this description of hell is explicitly defined?

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God. For the information of all, hell, as the Lord teaches, is the big planet of fire and boiling water which will be formed by the merger of all exploded heavenly bodies in the whole universe, both seen and unseen, and of our very dear earth (which will be the last to explode) come judgment day or the second coming of the Lord. Should anyone wants the truth about all things, come direct to Jesus, ask and learn directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, the bible cannot teach to us these very delicate things because it is only a book.

Now, do you still see that hell is akin do Dantes inferno?

What evidence do you have that you got what you learned 'Directly from the Lord Jesus Christ', and not an imagining in your own mind, or from a source that you are just interpreting to be Jesus Christ?

Why should I take your proclamations seriously?

[Zzyzx]

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God.

Evidently others have learned different things "directly from the Lord Jesus Christ" and/or from other gods.

Why are the "messages" received directly from god or gods so different from one another? Is it because a god is telling different things to different people? Or is it because different gods are telling different stories?

Every prophet who claims to have spoken directly to gods swears that everything they say is true and is the word of god. How can that be possible?

[twobitsmedia]

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God.

Evidently others have learned different things "directly from the Lord Jesus Christ" and/or from other gods.

Why are the "messages" received directly from god or gods so different from one another? Is it because a god is telling different things to different people? Or is it because different gods are telling different stories?

Every prophet who claims to have spoken directly to gods swears that everything they say is true and is the word of god. How can that be possible?

Twice in one day. I presume it is freezing in hell because I agree with you again.

[Scrotum]

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God.

Evidently others have learned different things "directly from the Lord Jesus Christ" and/or from other gods.

Why are the "messages" received directly from god or gods so different from one another? Is it because a god is telling different things to different people? Or is it because different gods are telling different stories?

Every prophet who claims to have spoken directly to gods swears that everything they say is true and is the word of god. How can that be possible?

What I find interesting is, why dont they speak to ME?


I mean, I am an atheist right, per definition Intelligent, i only accept reality. So why dont they recruit ME? All they have to do is t oshow themselves, such a easy thing to do. It could be in the privacy of my own home, He or She appears before me (when I am in a sober state, regular blood sugar level, lets say 6mmol), and I would have no reason not to accept his god. Well, i would like a name or something so i know whom to "worship".


But for some weird reason, Nothing, its like... Itsl ike there is no gods, and its all made up of people for control of alike....

[Zzyzx]

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God.

Evidently others have learned different things "directly from the Lord Jesus Christ" and/or from other gods.

Why are the "messages" received directly from god or gods so different from one another? Is it because a god is telling different things to different people? Or is it because different gods are telling different stories?

Every prophet who claims to have spoken directly to gods swears that everything they say is true and is the word of god. How can that be possible?

Twice in one day. I presume it is freezing in hell because I agree with you again.

Uh Oh, we both must be slipping a little (darn ice).

Which seem to apply?

1) One god telling different stories
2) Multiple gods telling different stories
3) One true story
4) Multiple true stories
5) No gods, no true stories
6) Confusion or delusion by some or all prophets
7) Changes in stories from originally reported
8) Other

Why?

[twobitsmedia]

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God.

Evidently others have learned different things "directly from the Lord Jesus Christ" and/or from other gods.

Why are the "messages" received directly from god or gods so different from one another? Is it because a god is telling different things to different people? Or is it because different gods are telling different stories?

Every prophet who claims to have spoken directly to gods swears that everything they say is true and is the word of god. How can that be possible?

Twice in one day. I presume it is freezing in hell because I agree with you again.

Uh Oh, we both must be slipping a little (darn ice).

Which seem to apply?

1) One god telling different stories
2) Multiple gods telling different stories
3) One true story
4) Multiple true stories
5) No gods, no true stories
6) Confusion or delusion by some or all prophets
7) Changes in stories from originally reported
8) Other

Why?

I would say 8) Other: Creating a God in an image we find palatable......and then soliciting the ideas in hopes that we can find someone to agree. (That was, BTW, the Jim Jones method)

[adlemi]

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God.

Evidently others have learned different things "directly from the Lord Jesus Christ" and/or from other gods.

Why are the "messages" received directly from god or gods so different from one another? Is it because a god is telling different things to different people? Or is it because different gods are telling different stories?

Every prophet who claims to have spoken directly to gods swears that everything they say is true and is the word of god. How can that be possible?

God does exists in His own ways and He does tell and do things as He wishes to hence we must seek God in accordance to with how He does exists and not in accordance with how we do understand what is written in the bible since same is not the Lord God. If we have many questions to God, let us be sure to ourselves that we addressed them directly to God himself and not to our fellow men so that we can get the direct answer from God.

Messages are different from one another because most of them come not from God but just from other evil spirits. Messages from God are easy to distinguish from others because same only deal with the glory of God alone and tell people to come direct to God. There is only One God hence there is only one genuine God who gives His messages to the people today. Here is a good example of an excerpt of God's message given to us,

The Lord God said:

"Keep in your mind that the everlasting life and your salvation are in my hands. If you want to be saved, come and get nigh with Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on to Me. Put your trust in Me because if you fail to do these things, you have no salvation and eternal life. You have nowhere to go except tragedy and tribulation. Because if you will get nigh with Me, you will attain nothing more, but peace, peace that you will attain if you will put your trust in Me, if you will trust Me with all your heart and with all your love. You will love Me with all your love and you will worship no others, but only Me, I your only One Lord."

"I Am the Shepherd. I Am the Good Shepherd. Keep in your mind that there are no others who will teach you except Me. If ever that you will be explaining with each other, same will only be in accordance with your will, same will be in accordance with your own thinking. Hence, keep in your mind that whosoever will act being a pastor, who will act being a leader of My Church, he is doing iniquity and snatching away My post being the Good Pastor, who will act being a leader of My Church, he is doing iniquity and snatching away my post being the Good Pastor because you are only human beings, those of you who act as pastors, those of you who teach and standing up in front of many people, those of you who are doers of iniquities, those of you who cast out devils in My name. Keep in your mind that in My Second coming, many will call to Me saying, Lord, Lord, didn’t we do powerful works and in your name we cast out devils, we did healing. But keep in your mind, I will say to them, never at any time do I know you, I do not know you at any time, those of you who are habitual workers of iniquity, those of you who are casting out devils. Keep in your mind that if you cast out devils, you are snatching away the title role which properly belongs to Me only. If there is anyone being possessed with by the demons that you may encounter, you should only pray to Me and in that manner I Am ready to hear your prayer and I will hear your every plea that you will whisper to Me, that you will shout at, that you will pray to. I will help you and I will never forsake you at any time much more to those people who are with Me and who follow Me."

[adlemi]

Well, i would like a name or something so i know whom to "worship".

But for some weird reason, Nothing, its like... Itsl ike there is no gods, and its all made up of people for control of alike....

It must be God's will, not yours nor mine, that we must seek and obey in our life for us to experience God. See what God is saying to those who want to experience God, and He said:

Original Tagalog text:

“Ako’y Panginoon ng kapayapaan kung ang kapayapaan ay sumasainyo. Ako ay Diyos na mapanibughuin kaya’t huwag kayong magkakaroon ng ibang Diyos liban sa Akin. Kapayapaan ang Aking dala kung ang mga tao’y may kapayapaan kung sila’y nag-uusap. Ngunit Ako’y Panginoon ng tabak at Ako’y mapaghiganti sa mga tao na tabak din ang kanilang dala.”

English translation:

"I Am the Lord of Peace if peace is within you. I Am the envious God hence do not have unto yourselves other God except Me. Peace I bring with Me if people have peace if they converse. But I Am the Lord of sword and I am vindictive to the people who bring with them sword."

Since you do not believe in God by being an atheist, God will give you the world where there is really no God in your perception, but for those who believe in God, God will give them the world where they can see the reality of the existence of God, that's how simple it is with God.

[Openmind]

Since you do not believe in God by being an atheist, God will give you the world where there is really no God in your perception, but for those who believe in God, God will give them the world where they can see the reality of the existence of God, that's how simple it is with God.

You call that simple? That was probably the most confusing sentence I've read all day!

So what you are saying is this:

1. God allows atheists to think there is no God.
2. God allows those who believe in him believe that the exists?

Your logic belies imagination.

Addressing each point:
1. Apparently, I can blame my atheism on God, becuase he is pulling this veil of doubt across my eyes. If he actively gives me "the world where there is really no God" then whose fault is it I am atheist?
2. That just doesn't make sense. You chase your tail better than a two legged dog. If someone believed in God, then God wouldn't have to allow them to see that he exists. Furthermore, what about someone who is not sure, who is not yet christian. Are they considered atheist and thus precluded from realising God exists, as per your first supposition?

Sounds like God does an awful lot of...making us believe what we all ready believe.

[Scrotum]

I am certain with my statement and I am not interpreting anything in the scripture because I learned what I said directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, not from the scripture for the scripture or the bible is not God.

Evidently others have learned different things "directly from the Lord Jesus Christ" and/or from other gods.

Why are the "messages" received directly from god or gods so different from one another? Is it because a god is telling different things to different people? Or is it because different gods are telling different stories?

Every prophet who claims to have spoken directly to gods swears that everything they say is true and is the word of god. How can that be possible?

God does exists in His own ways and He does tell and do things as He wishes to hence we must seek God in accordance to with how He does exists and not in accordance with how we do understand what is written in the bible since same is not the Lord God. If we have many questions to God, let us be sure to ourselves that we addressed them directly to God himself and not to our fellow men so that we can get the direct answer from God.

Messages are different from one another because most of them come not from God but just from other evil spirits. Messages from God are easy to distinguish from others because same only deal with the glory of God alone and tell people to come direct to God. There is only One God hence there is only one genuine God who gives His messages to the people today. Here is a good example of an excerpt of God's message given to us,

The Lord God said:

"Keep in your mind that the everlasting life and your salvation are in my hands. If you want to be saved, come and get nigh with Me. If you want eternal life, come and call on to Me. Put your trust in Me because if you fail to do these things, you have no salvation and eternal life. You have nowhere to go except tragedy and tribulation. Because if you will get nigh with Me, you will attain nothing more, but peace, peace that you will attain if you will put your trust in Me, if you will trust Me with all your heart and with all your love. You will love Me with all your love and you will worship no others, but only Me, I your only One Lord."

"I Am the Shepherd. I Am the Good Shepherd. Keep in your mind that there are no others who will teach you except Me. If ever that you will be explaining with each other, same will only be in accordance with your will, same will be in accordance with your own thinking. Hence, keep in your mind that whosoever will act being a pastor, who will act being a leader of My Church, he is doing iniquity and snatching away My post being the Good Pastor, who will act being a leader of My Church, he is doing iniquity and snatching away my post being the Good Pastor because you are only human beings, those of you who act as pastors, those of you who teach and standing up in front of many people, those of you who are doers of iniquities, those of you who cast out devils in My name. Keep in your mind that in My Second coming, many will call to Me saying, Lord, Lord, didn’t we do powerful works and in your name we cast out devils, we did healing. But keep in your mind, I will say to them, never at any time do I know you, I do not know you at any time, those of you who are habitual workers of iniquity, those of you who are casting out devils. Keep in your mind that if you cast out devils, you are snatching away the title role which properly belongs to Me only. If there is anyone being possessed with by the demons that you may encounter, you should only pray to Me and in that manner I Am ready to hear your prayer and I will hear your every plea that you will whisper to Me, that you will shout at, that you will pray to. I will help you and I will never forsake you at any time much more to those people who are with Me and who follow Me."

How do you know what the Lord said? There is no evidence at all for "the Lord" speaking, only people saying that THEY spoke to God, and that you should follow what he (the human speaker) are saying that God told HIM.


You do not find that strange?