Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

[POI]

Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[kjw47]

LOVE was his reason. The teachings of his son hold all the keys. Few bother learning them. One going to Buildings called church teach very little of what he actually teaches. Those are paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus teaches. Its the fault of those who cant be bothered to learn and apply all that Jesus teaches. Just because one says they are a man of God( teacher) does not mean its truth( 2Cor 11:12-15) not all is as appears in this satan ruled system.

He did not show much LOVE or mercy in the way he treated Adam and Eve after their misdemeanor. Then he just sat back and watched while everything went down the gurgler. His LOVE then forced him to kill just about all life on the planet, after which he again just sat back and watched it go down the gurgler again. At some point he realised he needed someone who was a better teacher than himself, so he impregnated a married woman and used the offspring as his messenger service. That failed miserably too, because even two thousand years later hardly anyone understands what the message is supposed to be. This allegedly super intelligent deity wins the prize doofus award for incompetence. LOVE nowhere in sight either.

He warned them in advance they would die if they ate of that tree. It was their fault, not Gods. And like a domino effect from their choice all their offspring knowing bad has escalted into this sick system.(2Tim 3) It is almost done

[POI]

2Timothy 3 summed todays world up pretty well. No man can demonstrate that. God will. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) --Why do you wish to risk standing in opposition to God? Time is running out.

I have to ask, were you indoctrinated into this belief system?

You are clearly not here to debate, but are instead here to assert your faith claims...

A debate = one stands up for their side, another stands up for their side.

Well, you are not doing that. The OP asks for you to demonstrate God. You already admit you cannot do that. BUT THEN go on to 'debate', as if we both AGREE God exists?.?.?. So no, I'm not going to 'debate' you about how I would act if I thought God exists.

So please stop presenting faith-claims, which are nothing but fear-tactics -- as a means of an exchange between you and I. That is not a debate.

Thus, since you CANNOT prove God, and "God" cares not to prove Himself either, I felt I would instead follow up --- by asking you if you were indoctrinated into this set of beliefs? So, were you? And/or what exactly compelled you to become a JW? Maybe venturing down this path will somehow 'demonstrate' some sort of god?.?.?.?.?

[brunumb]

Only blind guides that do not know God teach a literal place of eternal suffering. It was symbolic. The true God set before all-LIFE or DEATH(Deuteronomy 30:19) both will be everlasting. Actions prove it all. Words prove little.

And that's all that you and your Bible have to offer. So, is it any wonder that people are not convinced?

The mislead arent convinced.

Your words prove nothing.

[brunumb]

LOVE was his reason. The teachings of his son hold all the keys. Few bother learning them. One going to Buildings called church teach very little of what he actually teaches. Those are paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus teaches. Its the fault of those who cant be bothered to learn and apply all that Jesus teaches. Just because one says they are a man of God( teacher) does not mean its truth( 2Cor 11:12-15) not all is as appears in this satan ruled system.

He did not show much LOVE or mercy in the way he treated Adam and Eve after their misdemeanor. Then he just sat back and watched while everything went down the gurgler. His LOVE then forced him to kill just about all life on the planet, after which he again just sat back and watched it go down the gurgler again. At some point he realised he needed someone who was a better teacher than himself, so he impregnated a married woman and used the offspring as his messenger service. That failed miserably too, because even two thousand years later hardly anyone understands what the message is supposed to be. This allegedly super intelligent deity wins the prize doofus award for incompetence. LOVE nowhere in sight either.

He warned them in advance they would die if they ate of that tree. It was their fault, not Gods. And like a domino effect from their choice all their offspring knowing bad has escalted into this sick system.(2Tim 3) It is almost done

Wrong. All the responsibility falls back on God. You ignored the issue of LOVE completely and that all the subsequent failures were due to the direct actions of God. There is no sick system, apart from religion that continually promotes this nonsense. Perhaps for some it is almost done:

[kjw47]

2Timothy 3 summed todays world up pretty well. No man can demonstrate that. God will. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) --Why do you wish to risk standing in opposition to God? Time is running out.

I have to ask, were you indoctrinated into this belief system?

You are clearly not here to debate, but are instead here to assert your faith claims...

A debate = one stands up for their side, another stands up for their side.

Well, you are not doing that. The OP asks for you to demonstrate God. You already admit you cannot do that. BUT THEN go on to 'debate', as if we both AGREE God exists?.?.?. So no, I'm not going to 'debate' you about how I would act if I thought God exists.

So please stop presenting faith-claims, which are nothing but fear-tactics -- as a means of an exchange between you and I. That is not a debate.

Thus, since you CANNOT prove God, and "God" cares not to prove Himself either, I felt I would instead follow up --- by asking you if you were indoctrinated into this set of beliefs? So, were you? And/or what exactly compelled you to become a JW? Maybe venturing down this path will somehow 'demonstrate' some sort of god?.?.?.?.?

The bible is proof God exists. Creation is proof God exists.

[kjw47]

LOVE was his reason. The teachings of his son hold all the keys. Few bother learning them. One going to Buildings called church teach very little of what he actually teaches. Those are paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus teaches. Its the fault of those who cant be bothered to learn and apply all that Jesus teaches. Just because one says they are a man of God( teacher) does not mean its truth( 2Cor 11:12-15) not all is as appears in this satan ruled system.

He did not show much LOVE or mercy in the way he treated Adam and Eve after their misdemeanor. Then he just sat back and watched while everything went down the gurgler. His LOVE then forced him to kill just about all life on the planet, after which he again just sat back and watched it go down the gurgler again. At some point he realised he needed someone who was a better teacher than himself, so he impregnated a married woman and used the offspring as his messenger service. That failed miserably too, because even two thousand years later hardly anyone understands what the message is supposed to be. This allegedly super intelligent deity wins the prize doofus award for incompetence. LOVE nowhere in sight either.

He warned them in advance they would die if they ate of that tree. It was their fault, not Gods. And like a domino effect from their choice all their offspring knowing bad has escalted into this sick system.(2Tim 3) It is almost done

Wrong. All the responsibility falls back on God. You ignored the issue of LOVE completely and that all the subsequent failures were due to the direct actions of God. There is no sick system, apart from religion that continually promotes this nonsense. Perhaps for some it is almost done:

You must live under a rock. Havent you noticed all the killings going on, the drug addiction, drunkeness, immoral sex, hatred, greed, Its mans fault. They outright refuse to listen to God and his written word. It will all come to pass.
You love your child right? If you did all the things God did for Adam and Eve, and them some liar comes along who did 0 for them and your child took his side, you would know 100%, you were just kicked in the teeth. You would not like it, either did God, they chose to know good and bad and bring it upon everyone. Gods kingdom will cure it all. Live for entrance into it now.

[Tcg]

The bible is proof God exists.

Not even close. The Bible presents a claim. It isn't evidence much less proof God exists.

Creation is proof God exists.

The natural world, no need to label it creation until it is proven to be one, is evidence only of the natural world.


Tcg

[TRANSPONDER]

LOVE was his reason. The teachings of his son hold all the keys. Few bother learning them. One going to Buildings called church teach very little of what he actually teaches. Those are paid to teach their religions brand of dogma and little of what Jesus teaches. Its the fault of those who cant be bothered to learn and apply all that Jesus teaches. Just because one says they are a man of God( teacher) does not mean its truth( 2Cor 11:12-15) not all is as appears in this satan ruled system.

He did not show much LOVE or mercy in the way he treated Adam and Eve after their misdemeanor. Then he just sat back and watched while everything went down the gurgler. His LOVE then forced him to kill just about all life on the planet, after which he again just sat back and watched it go down the gurgler again. At some point he realised he needed someone who was a better teacher than himself, so he impregnated a married woman and used the offspring as his messenger service. That failed miserably too, because even two thousand years later hardly anyone understands what the message is supposed to be. This allegedly super intelligent deity wins the prize doofus award for incompetence. LOVE nowhere in sight either.

He warned them in advance they would die if they ate of that tree. It was their fault, not Gods. And like a domino effect from their choice all their offspring knowing bad has escalted into this sick system.(2Tim 3) It is almost done

Do you seriously expect us to swallow that palpable myth? If we did take it seriously as a record of a real event it is pretty darn evident that God arranged the whole thing to make sure they DID sin. It was a stitch -up. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that because I regard it as a silly myth...Sorry if you've seen this one before, Folks, but it's a classic. and relevant.
...woops that one was out of sync.

[brunumb]

You must live under a rock. Havent you noticed all the killings going on, the drug addiction, drunkeness, immoral sex, hatred, greed, Its mans fault. They outright refuse to listen to God and his written word. It will all come to pass.
You love your child right? If you did all the things God did for Adam and Eve, and them some liar comes along who did 0 for them and your child took his side, you would know 100%, you were just kicked in the teeth. You would not like it, either did God, they chose to know good and bad and bring it upon everyone. Gods kingdom will cure it all. Live for entrance into it now.

You seem to be unable to address my response directly.
Wrong. All the responsibility falls back on God. You ignored the issue of LOVE completely and that all the subsequent failures were due to the direct actions of God. There is no sick system, apart from religion that continually promotes this nonsense.
God's alleged kingdom won't do anything because he failed to achieve that in the beginning and at every time he tried to fix things later. The next attempt should be no better because he's dealing with the very same beings he created. Maybe he should earn an A for effort, but he still gets an F for his project.

[POI]

The bible is proof God exists.

All the Bible proves, is that humans wrote it. Anything above this reality necessitates much more than faith alone.

Creation is proof God exists.

Nice tautology. I have expressed my views here, in the OP of the following link --> viewtopic.php?p=1095153#p1095153