Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

[POI]

Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?

[TRANSPONDER]

No one knows the day or hour

This is the only true statement you can demonstrate. The rest...? Well, simply exchange one god, with another, and then say practically what you stated afterwards, and you have the makings of exactly the same "credible" claim. Which-is-to-say, nothing but blank assertions, to try and scare one into believing you.

Being scared to believe doesnt work. Having love for the creator is what works.

Non believers are scared to believe...belief is love for the creator... It's malicious and I think delusional (love for the creator is self -love, or perhaps love for oneself as validated by the Group). Probably quite effective, as manipulation, but disgusting.

Jehovah created all things by his power alone. He created Jesus direct first and last, then created all other things through his master worker( Prov 8)=Jesus)--So without Jehovah creating all things, no one would be in existence, they would have 0. We owe it all to him. He asks us to listen to his advice, which benefits us and for us to love him like a Father. He is offering eternal life to those who do. Never sick, not aging like now, never without, no war, fear, pain, death, greed, lying ,cheating, no more satan influences etc,etc,etc. So really its not so much to ask of us for a life like that.

Just a string of Faith-claims that you know we are not going to buy - not now we see no reason to credit the claims of the Bible or Christianity, let alone one or the other sect with different teachings. Mere preaching will get you nowhere, and I believe does not conform with the ToS.

He asks us to listen to his advice, which benefits us and for us to love him like a Father. He is offering eternal life to those who do. Never sick, not aging like now, never without, no war, fear, pain, death, greed, lying ,cheating, no more satan influences etc,etc,etc. So really its not so much to ask of us for a life like that.

Let us not forget that this incompetent, negligent Father is ultimately responsible for most of that (sickness, aging, fear, pain, death, Satan....) from his actions at the very beginning. To then turn around and offer eternal life in exchange for love is a real slap in the face. If he was sincere about that, he would front up and make the offer in person instead of hiding and relying on dodgy human intermediaries who are renowned for being greedy liars and cheats.

God created Adam and Eve perfect, to live forever, never sick, nor aging like now, knowing only good--He handed them that on a silver platter, so they werent robots he asked them not to do a single thing. Giving them free will to listen to his advice out of love and appreciation for all he gave to them free of charge. How much value is that? A liar comes along who did 0 for them, they took his side, they chose mortals to know bad, not God. Issues were raised against Gods sovereignty, so once and for all time all rebels are being rooted out and will not get eternal life. God knows what is best for all concerned for all time. No mortal does.

More preachy Faithclaims with really nothing to back them up. Except the Bible which no -one who has read the posts here for a while will suppose gets s a free pass anymore.

[TRANSPONDER]

He asks us to listen to his advice, which benefits us and for us to love him like a Father. He is offering eternal life to those who do. Never sick, not aging like now, never without, no war, fear, pain, death, greed, lying ,cheating, no more satan influences etc,etc,etc. So really its not so much to ask of us for a life like that.

Let us not forget that this incompetent, negligent Father is ultimately responsible for most of that (sickness, aging, fear, pain, death, Satan....) from his actions at the very beginning. To then turn around and offer eternal life in exchange for love is a real slap in the face. If he was sincere about that, he would front up and make the offer in person instead of hiding and relying on dodgy human intermediaries who are renowned for being greedy liars and cheats.

Being omnipotent God supposedly created Adam and Eve perfect, to live forever, never sick, nor aging like now, knowing only good (and this was the card God kept up his sleeve; keeping them ignorant of bad and not letting the two know they would soon be confronted by a not-so-good, crafty, old serpent) --He handed them that on a silver platter[.] Nice guy! [S]o they werent robots he asked them not to do a single thing except as he had already foreseen: fall for his accomplice Satan's ploy. Giving them a sense of free will to listen to his advice out of love and appreciation for all he gave to them free of charge, except for the trap they were about to fall into, which was the price they would be paying. And god asked them, "How much value is that?" Having no idea what God was talking about or what was going on they were left standing dumbstruck. Being omniscient, god knew a liar was about to come along who did 0 for them, they took his side, they chose mortals to know bad, not God. Just as god knew they would. Issues were raised against Gods sovereignty, so once and for all time all rebels are being rooted out and will not get eternal life. Exactly as god knew they would. God knows what is best for all concerned for all time, which is why he allowed sin to be brought into the world. No mortal does, which suited god just fine because he wasn't looking for truly perfect creatures at all, just those who would provide him with entertainment. God was bored and really needed a little excitement in his life. Hence the conspiracy between God and Satan to do just that; create flawed creatures who would always be at each other's throats somewhere in the world.

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Who's God talking to? Is that his Daughter, which art in heaven? What's he been up to? Does she get an education? Do they teach evolution in celestial school?

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #352]
They teach only microevolution! No macroevulution!

[JoeyKnothead]

No one knows the day or hour but the Father. The signs are all pointing to being near the end. All have seen Rev 13 for many years. So we are quite a ways past that point. The bible prophecies will come to pass without fail.

I wonder how many hamburgers you gotta pay for, come Tuesday.

[POI]

Being scared to believe doesnt work.

If you admit this openly, then please stop spewing out "doomesday prophecies" No one here probably believes you anyways.,,

[Miles]

He asks us to listen to his advice, which benefits us and for us to love him like a Father. He is offering eternal life to those who do. Never sick, not aging like now, never without, no war, fear, pain, death, greed, lying ,cheating, no more satan influences etc,etc,etc. So really its not so much to ask of us for a life like that.

Let us not forget that this incompetent, negligent Father is ultimately responsible for most of that (sickness, aging, fear, pain, death, Satan....) from his actions at the very beginning. To then turn around and offer eternal life in exchange for love is a real slap in the face. If he was sincere about that, he would front up and make the offer in person instead of hiding and relying on dodgy human intermediaries who are renowned for being greedy liars and cheats.

Being omnipotent God supposedly created Adam and Eve perfect, to live forever, never sick, nor aging like now, knowing only good (and this was the card God kept up his sleeve; keeping them ignorant of bad and not letting the two know they would soon be confronted by a not-so-good, crafty, old serpent) --He handed them that on a silver platter[.] Nice guy! [S]o they werent robots he asked them not to do a single thing except as he had already foreseen: fall for his accomplice Satan's ploy. Giving them a sense of free will to listen to his advice out of love and appreciation for all he gave to them free of charge, except for the trap they were about to fall into, which was the price they would be paying. And god asked them, "How much value is that?" Having no idea what God was talking about or what was going on they were left standing dumbstruck. Being omniscient, god knew a liar was about to come along who did 0 for them, they took his side, they chose mortals to know bad, not God. Just as god knew they would. Issues were raised against Gods sovereignty, so once and for all time all rebels are being rooted out and will not get eternal life. Exactly as god knew they would. God knows what is best for all concerned for all time, which is why he allowed sin to be brought into the world. No mortal does, which suited god just fine because he wasn't looking for truly perfect creatures at all, just those who would provide him with entertainment. God was bored and really needed a little excitement in his life. Hence the conspiracy between God and Satan to do just that; create flawed creatures who would always be at each other's throats somewhere in the world.

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Who's God talking to? Is that his Daughter, which art in heaven? What's he been up to? Does she get an education? Do they teach evolution in celestial school?

All valid questions. Because he's old (why does god age anyway?) and she looks so young, my guess is that she's a granddaughter. My second guess is that she's being home schooled, and of course evolution is taught. God certainly wouldn't want his granddaughter brought up believing a pack of self serving creationist lies. Then again . . . . why did he write such a god-awful misleading book in the first place? Beginning writer's folly perhaps?


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[TRANSPONDER]

No one knows the day or hour but the Father. The signs are all pointing to being near the end. All have seen Rev 13 for many years. So we are quite a ways past that point. The bible prophecies will come to pass without fail.

I wonder how many hamburgers you gotta pay for, come Tuesday.

With Prophecy, you're safe; Tuesday is always deferred to next week.

[kjw47]

He asks us to listen to his advice, which benefits us and for us to love him like a Father. He is offering eternal life to those who do. Never sick, not aging like now, never without, no war, fear, pain, death, greed, lying ,cheating, no more satan influences etc,etc,etc. So really its not so much to ask of us for a life like that.

Let us not forget that this incompetent, negligent Father is ultimately responsible for most of that (sickness, aging, fear, pain, death, Satan....) from his actions at the very beginning. To then turn around and offer eternal life in exchange for love is a real slap in the face. If he was sincere about that, he would front up and make the offer in person instead of hiding and relying on dodgy human intermediaries who are renowned for being greedy liars and cheats.

Being omnipotent God supposedly created Adam and Eve perfect, to live forever, never sick, nor aging like now, knowing only good (and this was the card God kept up his sleeve; keeping them ignorant of bad and not letting the two know they would soon be confronted by a not-so-good, crafty, old serpent) --He handed them that on a silver platter[.] Nice guy! [S]o they werent robots he asked them not to do a single thing except as he had already foreseen: fall for his accomplice Satan's ploy. Giving them a sense of free will to listen to his advice out of love and appreciation for all he gave to them free of charge, except for the trap they were about to fall into, which was the price they would be paying. And god asked them, "How much value is that?" Having no idea what God was talking about or what was going on they were left standing dumbstruck. Being omniscient, god knew a liar was about to come along who did 0 for them, they took his side, they chose mortals to know bad, not God. Just as god knew they would. Issues were raised against Gods sovereignty, so once and for all time all rebels are being rooted out and will not get eternal life. Exactly as god knew they would. God knows what is best for all concerned for all time, which is why he allowed sin to be brought into the world. No mortal does, which suited god just fine because he wasn't looking for truly perfect creatures at all, just those who would provide him with entertainment. God was bored and really needed a little excitement in his life. Hence the conspiracy between God and Satan to do just that; create flawed creatures who would always be at each other's throats somewhere in the world.

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That is sick thinking that God just wanted to be entertained. It also God a liar, Not a wise place to be standing, especially since this system is almost done and you are throwing away eternal life for this life and sick thinking. You arent the only one, satan has many fooled. I used to be angry at God, but taking in knowledge of truth changed that, Now i know 100% God is always correct, and one who cannot even create a single blade of grass has no clue.

[kjw47]

Being scared to believe doesnt work.

If you admit this openly, then please stop spewing out "doomesday prophecies" No one here probably believes you anyways.,,

The bible says the coming of Gods kingdom is good news. Those in fear of its arrival are most assuredly wicked in Gods view.

[JoeyKnothead]

Being scared to believe doesnt work.

If you admit this openly, then please stop spewing out "doomesday prophecies" No one here probably believes you anyways.,,

The bible says the coming of Gods kingdom is good news. Those in fear of its arrival are most assuredly wicked in Gods view.

Lol

Had to check in on this week's sermon.

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.