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Dear Christians of all flavor(s),

I trust it is no surprise there exists a populous here, which lay claim to 'atheism', 'deism', or maybe other... In a nutshell, for me, this ultimately means I do not believe any such claimed Christian God exists - trying though as I might.... Which-is-to-mean, I was raised in a Christian house hold. However, after much study, I cannot get myself to belief such a claimed agent actually exists. Chalk it up, ultimately, to the topic of 'divine hiddenness' I guess...?

It is also evident there exists devout 'Christians' in this arena, of all flavors, who may feel they are 'fighting the good fight'; by defending their belief(s)/faith/rationale in the assertion of the existence to the "Christian God".

That being said, I am laying down the gauntlet, so-to-speak... Some here, as well as outside of here, are as sure as anything, that not only does God exist, but the Christian God! Well, I politely disagree. Meaning, I don't believe the "Christian based" assertion/claim.

I can't imagine this request will be anything new. Nor, can I imagine that I will encounter any new sort of enlightenment. But, being this is a rather large and important topic; I will continue to search, optimistically, that there exists some sort of 'concrete evidence(s)' to demonstrate that not only a God exists ---> but also the Christian God.

For Debate:

Please demonstrate the mere existence of the Christian God?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:

"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:14 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:05 pm
kjw47 wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:53 pm Many think they have satan beat-99.9% mislead in Noahs day--Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day- Luke 17:26--at minimum 99% are in darkness.
Many think there's a Satan to be beat.

Others quit believing fairy tales before their teens.

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.

It will be terrible to find out the hard way, that you traded 70-100 years possibly( because its almost done) and gave up trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years.
It'd be worse to believe you without you ever presenting one piece of conformable evidence.

You're just spreading threats of damnation for disbelief, and promises of eternal life for belief.

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.
And the blind continues on in their darkness. The bible says--The wicked will require proof.

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:59 pm And the blind continues on in their darkness. The bible says--The wicked will require proof.
In what way do your slanders show you speak truth?

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:15 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:59 pm And the blind continues on in their darkness. The bible says--The wicked will require proof.
In what way do your slanders show you speak truth?

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.

Light doesnt enter darkness. No matter what truth i say you need proof.

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:19 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:15 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:59 pm And the blind continues on in their darkness. The bible says--The wicked will require proof.
In what way do your slanders show you speak truth?

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.

Light doesnt enter darkness. No matter what truth i say you need proof.
You're just another in a long line of preachers, ignorant to debate, who think slanders and labels are "Truth(tm)".

You're out of your element preacher. This ain't a church, it's a place where your ignorance of anything but biblical claims is on display for all to see.

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kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:19 pm Light doesnt enter darkness.
Of course it does. What a silly thing to say.
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:19 pm No matter what truth i say you need proof.
So said every peddler of snake oil that ever lived. Demonstrate that you speak the truth and you will have no problem getting people to listen to you.
George Orwell:: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
Voltaire: "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
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kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:23 pm And there is one reality, one is either standing for God or not.
Then there is the reality where there is no God at all, only peddlers of religious myths and superstition.
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:23 pm The nots will be shocked soon. This system is almost done, we are far along in revelation.
The Jehovah's Witnesses seem to have a monopoly on these prophecy based scare tactics and they have a terrible track record to boot. So, why should we listen to you?
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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:25 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:19 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:15 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:59 pm And the blind continues on in their darkness. The bible says--The wicked will require proof.
In what way do your slanders show you speak truth?

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.

Light doesnt enter darkness. No matter what truth i say you need proof.
You're just another in a long line of preachers, ignorant to debate, who think slanders and labels are "Truth(tm)".

You're out of your element preacher. This ain't a church, it's a place where your ignorance of anything but biblical claims is on display for all to see.

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.
Its very sad that it will be God that shows you your error. Jesus warned that on account of his name( thinking they would be standing for it) they would do things against the true followers( John 15:20-21) Why Because they did not know the one who sent him.= Father=YHWH(Jehovah)--those are the mislead who think they stand for God and will lose. Where does that leave ones like you? It doesnt have to be that way for you. Stand for God and he will stand for you. It takes faith.

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brunumb wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:48 am
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:19 pm Light doesnt enter darkness.
Of course it does. What a silly thing to say.
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:19 pm No matter what truth i say you need proof.
So said every peddler of snake oil that ever lived. Demonstrate that you speak the truth and you will have no problem getting people to listen to you.

By you praying from your heart to know truth, Pray to Jehovah through Jesus name. And if it is your hearts desire Jehovah will show you. No one can prove truth to you.

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brunumb wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:53 am
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:23 pm And there is one reality, one is either standing for God or not.
Then there is the reality where there is no God at all, only peddlers of religious myths and superstition.
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:23 pm The nots will be shocked soon. This system is almost done, we are far along in revelation.
The Jehovah's Witnesses seem to have a monopoly on these prophecy based scare tactics and they have a terrible track record to boot. So, why should we listen to you?

C.T.Russell was in error by trying to date Armageddon, but on his side, in 1879 he said-Peace will be taken from the earth in 1914. He used a prophecy in Daniel --2520 years from the removal of the last king in Jerusalem Gods kingdom would be established in heaven. 607 bce was that removal of the last king-607 bc + 2520= 1914=Revelation 6--He receives his crown= (the establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven) The ride of the white horse( righteous war) was the war in heaven, satan and his angels lost and were cast out of heaven forever to the earth, coming angry, knowing his time was short--Rev 6-And peace will be taken from the earth=ww1--Millions slaughtered in hatred. The other 3 riders rode as well. Millions upon millions died all over the earth after ww1 by things mentioned of those 3 riders. He thought the ride of the white horse was Armageddon because Jesus is shown riding the white horse at Armageddon. So one must ask--Why was C.T.Russell the only man on earth who could figure that bible prophecy out, when all the other religions had centuries before him to do so? And to this day they refuse to believe its truth, but the fact that Rev 6 says-Peace will be taken from the earth proved it truth--Not a single war-a world war. And he told the world the year, 35 years prior to its occurrence.

Only the wicked have fear of armageddon coming. The bible says its good news of Gods kingdom coming to the righteous. This tells all where they stand.

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:17 pm Its very sad that it will be God that shows you your error. Jesus warned that on account of his name( thinking they would be standing for it) they would do things against the true followers( John 15:20-21) Why Because they did not know the one who sent him.= Father=YHWH(Jehovah)--those are the mislead who think they stand for God and will lose. Where does that leave ones like you? It doesnt have to be that way for you. Stand for God and he will stand for you. It takes faith.
More empty threats and insults.

When you're ready to debate without the sermons, do let us know.

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