God's Justice

[POI]

Thus says the Lord: I will raise up trouble against you from within your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbour, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this very sun. 12 For you did it secretly; but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. (2 Samuel 12:11-12)

For debate: If a husband commits adultery, is justice served by having the adulterer's wives raped?

[POI]

1. Is there a set standard of authority which has been demonstrated to be binding upon us all?
2. If there is not a set standard of authority which is binding upon us all, then can we insist that someone, or something else violates this standard?
3. Were the events of 9-11 justice? If you answer either yes or no to this question, can you please explain the standard you are using to determine your answer?

All others can clearly read my many responses. Here are the simplified answers for you. If you want to know why, I've already explained ad nauseum.

1. Yes.
2. See above.
3. Avoiding your pivot... This topic is about (raping the innocent). No definition, regardless of how wide the boundaries are, includes the (raping of the innocent). Please somehow "justify" these terms anyways, apologetics-style.

Is it possible the reports of the resurrection were made up?

Yes, it is possible. And no, it is not possible for dead and rotting bodies to rise. See my other thread, for which I've referenced many times now -- to avoid any further confusion on your part.

You can prove me wrong, but my guess is you will not give an answer to these questions

I already have, and I'm instead reading as you apply more redirects, spin, and deterrence. You know, all that which is required within the Christian apologetics 101 handbook.

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to POI in post #31]

1. Is there a set standard of authority which has been demonstrated to be binding upon us all?

Okay, so you have answered "yes" to the question above. Can you share with us this demonstratable standard of authority which is binding upon all humans?

[POI]

[Replying to Realworldjack in post #32]

I already did, multiple times. If you cannot see it by now, then I can no longer help you.

So please, continue to avoid the topic, as it deals with the allowance for the (rape of the innocent).

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to POI in post #31]

The question was,

3. Were the events of 9-11 justice? If you answer either yes or no to this question, can you please explain the standard you are using to determine your answer?

To which you reply,

3. Avoiding your pivot... This topic is about (raping the innocent). No definition, regardless of how wide the boundaries are, includes the (raping of the innocent). Please somehow "justify" these terms anyways, apologetics-style.

No, you are not "avoiding the pivot", rather, you are avoiding the question. Next, we are not talking about a "definition" of justice, because we can all agree upon the definition. Rather, we are talking about a set standard of authority which we can point to, in order to determine which of the millions, upon millions of folks who disagree on whether the actions of 9-11 were justified.

Next, you are asking me to justify the passage under consideration, but I am not the one who owns the burden since I am not insisting upon a set standard of authority. Your burden now is to identify the set standard of authority you are referring to, along with how the passage violates said authority?

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to Realworldjack in post #32]

I already did, multiple times. If you cannot see it by now, then I can no longer help you.

So please, continue to avoid the topic, as it deals with the allowance for the (rape of the innocent).

Sure you can help me out by simply answering the question again which is, is there a set standard of authority which has been demonstrated to be binding upon us all?

Again, if you have indeed answered this question as to the set standard of authority, then it will not be a problem for you to answer it again.

[POI]

[Replying to Realworldjack in post #34]

More avoidance.... Is the allowance of (rape to the innocent) considered 'just'? Yes or no, and why?

[POI]

Sure you can help me out by simply answering the question again which is, is there a set standard of authority which has been demonstrated to be binding upon us all?

Yet again, yup.

Again, if you have indeed answered this question as to the set standard of authority, then it will not be a problem for you to answer it again.

Is allowance for the (rape of the innocent) just?

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to POI in post #31]

Yes, it is possible.

The above is the answer you give for the question as to whether the reports of the resurrection was made up? Your answer goes against all the critical scholars who have dedicated their life to such study, who all agree that the early disciples of Jesus were truly convinced they had witnessed Jesus alive after the crucifixion. Now, I am not appealing to authority, because I understand the scholars can be in error, but can you give us a scenario in which it would be possible that the reports were made up? Because you see, if one actually sits down in order to determine what all would have to be involved in order for the reports to have been made up, they will come to the same conclusions as the scholars in that it would have to be one of the most, if not the most extraordinary events the world has ever known.

[POI]

[Replying to Realworldjack in post #38]

Please stop diverting. In THIS thread, I'm holding your face to the fire, regarding "god's justice." According to him, allowing the (rape of the innocent) is just. So, is it just? If yes, why?

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to Realworldjack in post #38]

Please stop diverting. In THIS thread, I'm holding your face to the fire, regarding "god's justice." According to him, allowing the (rape of the innocent) is just. So, is it just? If yes, why?

You see, this is what is avoidance. You have no possible scenario, because there is no possible scenario, because if there was a possible scenario the scholars who dedicate their lives to such study, who are opposed to Christianity surely would have already offered up such a possible scenario. The fact of the matter is, we both know that it is not that all these critical scholars are intellectually honest, but rather the fact that they have no way to deny the fact that the evidence is overwhelming that the reports of the resurrection were not made-up stories. This leaves them to have to work with the fact that somehow, someway, these witnesses truly believed they had witnessed Jesus alive after the crucifixion. I certainly do not expect you to be intellectually honest, but this fact alone demonstrates beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus existed.

The thing is this is exactly what I predicted you would have to do. In other words, I knew that once the facts and evidence became so overwhelming for you that the only choice you would have left is to question as to whether we could really know anything at all. This is exactly what you have done by creating an OP questioning whether Jesus ever existed. This my friend is to commit intellectual suicide, and you have not only jumped right off the bridge, but you are also doubling down. You see, it is not very difficult at all to know that this is what you would do, because it was your only option with the bankrupt worldview you have. This bankrupt worldview shows not only here, but also when you want to insist upon what justice would be which I will get to in my next post.