Santa, do Christians believe in him? If not, why not.

[dangerdan]

Ok, you're probably wondering what Santa has to do with Christianity? bear with me here....

The topic of Santa was brought up in the thread "Everyone should be agnostic?, and with it brought some interesting topics to do with belief systems, well worthy of a new thread.

Now why is this in a Christianity forum? I think it has some rich insights into Christian epistemology - why they believe in some things and not others. I was pondering putting this in the philosophy sub-forum, but I feel it’s more relating to pure Christian thought (though if moderators feel otherwise then that's ok).

So, let the debate begin! I do not intend the question to be demeaning or disrespectful, but merely a candid enquiry. So with no further ado - Do Christians believe in Santa? If not, why not.

[perplexed101]

LOL, i just provided the proof you seek, i didnt say you have to like it.

Now this is one of your typical bluffs. You answer whatever comes to your mind, no relation with the topic or the conversation held at the moment. Al Ayeti mentioned the Talmud, I asked about the Talmud, but you just mentioned a long list of ante-Nicene testimonies for allegedly prove that early Christians believed Jesus to be God, which has nothing to do with what we were talking about, and then you jump to affirm that you provided proofs about what?

I'm sorry, but a discussion is based on mutual understanding, and as you are incapable of make yourself clear, I'll rather take otseng's advice and ignore your cumbersome intents to pollute good conversation.

here is something from the talmud:

And here is a page refuting what seems to be calculated quote mining to get Christians worked up about Jews. Not being able to read Hebrew, and having no inclination to learn, I can't verify your words or the veracity of these refutations.

lol, didnt read what the rabbi said about them? they have already been translated.

[Arch]

Ok, you’re probably wondering what Santa has to do with Christianity….bear with me here….

The topic of Santa was brought up in the thread “Everyone should be agnostic….”, and with it brought some interesting topics to do with belief systems, well worthy of a new thread.

Now why is this in a Christianity forum? I think it has some rich insights into Christian epistemology - why they believe in some things and not others. I was pondering putting this in the philosophy sub-forum, but I feel it’s more relating to pure Christian thought (though if moderators feel otherwise then that’s ok).

So, let the debate begin!…I do not intend the question to be demeaning or disrespectful, but merely a candid enquiry. So with no further ado…Do Christians believe in Santa? If not, why not.

I would still like to know why Christians believe in something and not others(like Santa). When the same logic they use to prove their beliefs can be used to prove Santa as well.

[methylatedghosts]

I would still like to know why Christians believe in something and not others(like Santa). When the same logic they use to prove their beliefs can be used to prove Santa as well.

The word Santa actually comes from "saint Nicholas". In dutch, "santa" is Sinter Klaas (St. Nick). If you remove "Klaas", and take a twisted English pronunciation, you get Santa.

So, technically, Sant nickolas and santa are one and the same!!!!

[Arch]

I would still like to know why Christians believe in something and not others(like Santa). When the same logic they use to prove their beliefs can be used to prove Santa as well.

The word Santa actually comes from "saint Nicholas". In dutch, "santa" is Sinter Klaas (St. Nick). If you remove "Klaas", and take a twisted English pronunciation, you get Santa.

So, technically, Sant nickolas and santa are one and the same!!!!

This was a great thread the point of it was that the mythical Santa could be proven using the same reasoning people use to prove GOD or Jesus.

Do you feel that is true?

[McCulloch]

So, technically, Sant nickolas and santa are one and the same!!!!

Yes but does Santa believe in Christians?

[Easyrider]

I just want to know how many secular non-Christians believe in Santa Claus and tell their kids Santa is coming to town? They're the real rationalists, right?

[McCulloch]

I just want to know how many secular non-Christians believe in Santa Claus and tell their kids Santa is coming to town? They're the real rationalists, right?

Yeah dumb isn't it. I have never allowed or encouraged my kids to believe in Santa Claus. We have fun with the story and with the tradition, but we all know it is make believe.
Santa Claus is quite useful to Christians. He is a sort of God-Lite. More friendly, less threatening, still requires faith, kind of a practice version of God for the young set.

[Lotan]

I have never allowed or encouraged my kids to believe in Santa Claus.

My 10 year old still claims to believe, based on the logic that if you don't believe in Santa, he won't bring you any toys. It's an irrefutable argument!

[Madeline]

I do find that God and Santa have one thing in common, they both give gifts. God gives spiritual gifts and answered prayers.

Love,
Madeline

[methylatedghosts]

So, technically, Sant nickolas and santa are one and the same!!!!

Yes but does Santa believe in Christians?

Now thats the real question isn't it? :p

Anyway, I was goin to add something else to my post.

In The Netherlands, Sinter Klaas comes on a boat from spain, and he rides a white and black speckled horse that can fly (or at least jump onto rooftops). and he has helpers called Black Peters (because of all the soot from jumping down chimneys). Black Peter does the jumping down chimneys and laying out the presents. Sinter Klaas just sits on his horse on the rooftop.

So you can see how this got further developed into the Santa we know with flying reindeer and elves.