Questioning God's Chosen Communication

[POI]

(1) Why would an omniscient God reveal to ancient societies the questions that modern scientific communities would be interested in? (2) Why would God care more about making scientific knowledge available in these texts versus addressing how He wanted humans to live?

For debate: Does the provided video below answer the above two questions sufficiently? If not, why not? If so, then I guess God is inept?

[POI]

You refuse to see what is presented so it’s pointless. You are in error but that is your preferred position.

I could say the EXACT same thing about you, but I choose not to... I instead opt for reason and examples. But it appears, thus far, you .do not want to trek down that path. Curious....

[POI]

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were treated "well"?

Of course not but it varied and only 1/4 of the southern American had slaves at all. The US slave trade was horrible.

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were bought and then killed or beaten to death?

My position is that it's safe to say that being a chattel slave "sucked." Are you glad it was abolished by most societies, or not?

Of course. Notice it was abolished from within in the west, although it’s not gone from the earth.

God's position is that it is okay, and much of the globe instead chose to abolish it. Much of the globe has now operated in spite of God's wishes to deem it okay. You do not order the abolition of something that is objectively okay, do you?

[Mae von H]

You refuse to see what is presented so it’s pointless. You are in error but that is your preferred position.

I could say the EXACT same thing about you, but I choose not to... I instead opt for reason and examples. But it appears, thus far, you .do not want to trek down that path. Curious....

But I do see it. And I don’t see reason from you, I just see attacks.

[Clownboat]

The weird thing is, otherwise fairly intelligent atheists are aghast that war and slavery are mentioned in the Bible as though it’s supposed to be some kind of Polly Anna child’s book with flowers and butterflies an everyone is sweet. That it describes real people in real life escapes the expectations.

Wars fought in ancient times were fought to the death or slavery for the losers. Those were the only options. Wars in the last centuries were no longer fought to the death or slavery so modern people don’t seem to understand this. Indian wars in the Americas were the same. Tribes fought and wiped out whole tribes taking a few of them to be slaves. The whole world was that way. The winners didn’t just govern the new territory. That’s only in modern warfare.

I wish there would have been a real God that could have told the world that it is not ok to own humans as slaves. Oh well.

[Mae von H]

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were treated "well"?

Of course not but it varied and only 1/4 of the southern American had slaves at all. The US slave trade was horrible.

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were bought and then killed or beaten to death?

My position is that it's safe to say that being a chattel slave "sucked." Are you glad it was abolished by most societies, or not?

Of course. Notice it was abolished from within in the west, although it’s not gone from the earth.

God's position is that it is okay, and much of the globe instead chose to abolish it. Much of the globe has now operated in spite of God's wishes to deem it okay. You do not order the abolition of something that is objectively okay, do you?

Totally untrue. But you wish to accuse God of evil so what is to be said to such blindness?

[POI]

You refuse to see what is presented so it’s pointless. You are in error but that is your preferred position.

I could say the EXACT same thing about you, but I choose not to... I instead opt for reason and examples. But it appears, thus far, you .do not want to trek down that path. Curious....

But I do see it. And I don’t see reason from you, I just see attacks.

I could again echo the exact same response you issued to me prior. (i.e.) "You refuse to see what is presented so it’s pointless. You are in error but that is your preferred position."

[POI]

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were treated "well"?

Of course not but it varied and only 1/4 of the southern American had slaves at all. The US slave trade was horrible.

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were bought and then killed or beaten to death?

My position is that it's safe to say that being a chattel slave "sucked." Are you glad it was abolished by most societies, or not?

Of course. Notice it was abolished from within in the west, although it’s not gone from the earth.

God's position is that it is okay, and much of the globe instead chose to abolish it. Much of the globe has now operated in spite of God's wishes to deem it okay. You do not order the abolition of something that is objectively okay, do you?

Totally untrue. But you wish to accuse God of evil so what is to be said to such blindness?

You are mistaken. I'm not accusing God of being 'evil.' I'm instead demonstrating that the God of the Bible is okay with chattel slavery. If you think chattel slavery is evil, then you will need to take that conclusion up with the God you believe in. Why? Because I have objectively demonstrated that God is okay with the topic of chattel slavery. This is why The Tanager is trying to say God is not okay with chattel slavery, while God is telling his readers he certainly is okay with it... If you are not okay with chattel slavery, then you are at odds with the God you worship. You will need to ask the God you worship why he is okay with a topic in which you believe is "evil"?

Again, much of the globe has now operated in spite of God's wishes to deem chattel slavery okay. You do not order the abolition of something that is objectively okay, do you?

[POI]

The weird thing is, otherwise fairly intelligent atheists are aghast that war and slavery are mentioned in the Bible as though it’s supposed to be some kind of Polly Anna child’s book with flowers and butterflies an everyone is sweet. That it describes real people in real life escapes the expectations.

Wars fought in ancient times were fought to the death or slavery for the losers. Those were the only options. Wars in the last centuries were no longer fought to the death or slavery so modern people don’t seem to understand this. Indian wars in the Americas were the same. Tribes fought and wiped out whole tribes taking a few of them to be slaves. The whole world was that way. The winners didn’t just govern the new territory. That’s only in modern warfare.

So God is or is not okay with chattel slavery?

[Mae von H]

The weird thing is, otherwise fairly intelligent atheists are aghast that war and slavery are mentioned in the Bible as though it’s supposed to be some kind of Polly Anna child’s book with flowers and butterflies an everyone is sweet. That it describes real people in real life escapes the expectations.

Wars fought in ancient times were fought to the death or slavery for the losers. Those were the only options. Wars in the last centuries were no longer fought to the death or slavery so modern people don’t seem to understand this. Indian wars in the Americas were the same. Tribes fought and wiped out whole tribes taking a few of them to be slaves. The whole world was that way. The winners didn’t just govern the new territory. That’s only in modern warfare.

So God is or is not okay with chattel slavery?

Since God told people He expects and pretty much demands we treat others as we’d like to be treated, that let’s out that institution.

But thanks to your prodding, I dug a bit deeper into US slavery. Pretty interesting. The vast majority of African slaves went to S or C America. Doesn’t make the US better. I already knew the Arab nations had African slaves longer and were horrible to them sterilizing them and much worse, but that doesn’t make US slavery good although better than the arabs. The northern states released their slaves and organizations bought and freed them from the south. So if these less than perfect men saw the evils, the practice is evil. I wish you’d recognize God isn’t less aware.

You know, nations long ago decided on rules of war. RULES OF WAR!! Why not recognize war is horrible and just forbid it altogether instead of establishing how it was to be conducted and how prisoners were to be treated? Why not demand all prisoners be released? Do they all then approve of war and its destruction because they made rules instead of eliminating it? Do you see the parallel?

[Mae von H]

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were treated "well"?

Of course not but it varied and only 1/4 of the southern American had slaves at all. The US slave trade was horrible.

Is your position that colonial chattel slaves were bought and then killed or beaten to death?

My position is that it's safe to say that being a chattel slave "sucked." Are you glad it was abolished by most societies, or not?

Of course. Notice it was abolished from within in the west, although it’s not gone from the earth.

God's position is that it is okay, and much of the globe instead chose to abolish it. Much of the globe has now operated in spite of God's wishes to deem it okay. You do not order the abolition of something that is objectively okay, do you?

Totally untrue. But you wish to accuse God of evil so what is to be said to such blindness?

You are mistaken. I'm not accusing God of being 'evil.' I'm instead demonstrating that the God of the Bible is okay with chattel slavery. If you think chattel slavery is evil, then you will need to take that conclusion up with the God you believe in. Why? Because I have objectively demonstrated that God is okay with the topic of chattel slavery. This is why The Tanager is trying to say God is not okay with chattel slavery, while God is telling his readers he certainly is okay with it... If you are not okay with chattel slavery, then you are at odds with the God you worship. You will need to ask the God you worship why he is okay with a topic in which you believe is "evil"?

Again, much of the globe has now operated in spite of God's wishes to deem chattel slavery okay. You do not order the abolition of something that is objectively okay, do you?

Are you ok with slavery? Can we say you are and you don’t feel insulted? Here’s the logic:

You say, (I might be wrong) slavery is evil
You say, Person XZY is ok with slavery.
Therefore you say Person XZY is ok with evil.

When you say someone is OK with horrible treatment of man to man, that’s accusing them of being OK with evil and are then evil.

But let’s test you. How should God have eliminated slavery bamm? And while you’re at it, how shall God eliminate the evil done today? What’s your superior plan? Are you personally working against evil?How? You’re not? So you’re OK with the evil going on?

Do you see the problem with assuming lack of eliminating something even if it means unjust collateral death is itself evil?

You know, God was not OK with the evil in Sodom. Do you like His way of eliminating it?