Most of us probably know better than to believe everything said or written. If someone tells us they can fly by flapping their arms, our response is likely disbelief and a request that they ‘show me’. If they refuse to demonstrate or fail in flapping, we regard their claim as false. Agreed?
If a person claims to have come back to life after being dead for days none of us are likely to believe the claim unless it could be verified. Right?
If someone writes that fifty years ago a long-dead person came back to life and flew away into the sky, what would be your / our likely reaction? Would we be convinced if they say ‘many saw him’?
What would it take to convince us that the tale was true?
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"Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #261Why does Jesus need you as a messenger when only witnessing Jesus oneself is the way?
When you said "alone" did you really mean "alone but also with OneJack"?
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #262[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #260]
Why did Jesus not say ‘for I commanded him to write about me?’ Luke wrote about Jesus, did the Lord command him to write about Him?“If you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” - JESUS CHRIST (John 5:46–47)
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #263It's not for me to question The Word? The point is Jesus stated clearly that belief in Him and his words is based on belief in the written words of Moses. And before you ask if Moses was told by Almighty God to write what he did ...OneJack wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2026 9:07 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #260]
Why did Jesus not say ‘for I commanded him to write about me?’ ....“If you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” - JESUS CHRIST (John 5:46–47)
EXODUS 32:27
“Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘Write these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.’”
EXODUS 24:4a
And Moses wrote all the words of YHWH.
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #264If someone compares flying by flapping arms with resurrection from the dead, then we know their judgment is no good, by empty mockery.Zzyzx wrote: ↑Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:12 pm If someone tells us they can fly by flapping their arms, our response is likely disbelief and a request that they ‘show me’.
If a person claims to have come back to life after being dead for days none of us are likely to believe the claim unless it could be verified. Right?
I don't know of anyone that believes in flying by flapping arms (Unless with constructed wings). Millions have and do believe in the resurrection from the dead.
Before the grave, or at Jesus' return in the sky?
Who would bother arguing with someone comparing it to flapping arms to fly?
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Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #265I said, 'My role is a follower/messenger of the Lord Jesus.' Ask the Lord Jesus why He needs me [as you opined] as a messenger, will you?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2026 2:56 amWhy does Jesus need you as a messenger when only witnessing Jesus oneself is the way?
That would be in the company of someone if you added the phrase, 'but also with.'When you said "alone" did you really mean "alone but also with OneJack"?
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #266What Word?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2026 3:32 pmIt's not for me to question The Word?OneJack wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2026 9:07 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #260]
Why did Jesus not say ‘for I commanded him to write about me?’ ....“If you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” - JESUS CHRIST (John 5:46–47)
False! Jesus never stated [verbatim] that 'belief in Him and his words is based on belief in the written words of Moses,' but rather, 'If you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?The point is Jesus stated clearly that belief in Him and his words is based on belief in the written words of Moses.
And before you ask if Moses was told by Almighty God to write what he did ...
EXODUS 32:27
“Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘Write these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.’”
EXODUS 24:4a
And Moses wrote all the words of YHWH.
You and I have not witnessed Moses' and God's interactions during the former's time. All we can do now to know the truth is to come to the Lord and seek from Him the true occurrence of events in the life of Moses.
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #267I am not God, I'm sure about that unto myself.
Absolutely, they won't save anyone!Your words won't save anyone.
As to all my personal words, yes they are my words that I composed based on what we've heard and learned from the Lord Jesus; they are mine.You are just sharing your opinion based words.
Absolutely, they are not Jesus!.... your posts are not Jesus , are they?
I'm using them to introduce/share the Lord Jesus Christ's utterances [today in our time] to all.You’re using them to support/warrant your opinion.
Why do you and I have to when what it takes to have salvation and eternal life is our decisions to come or not to come to the Lord Jesus?I'm not obsessed with your personal words like you seem to be.
Try to be specific with your phrase, 'insist on using what as if they can save anyone,' what exactly are you trying to say in this context?Why do you insist on using them as if they can save anyone.
That's the meat of my job, to tell everyone to put all their trust in the Lord alone, not to the bible, to my personal words I use in sharing His utterance [today in our time], and not even to the very words, per se, that comprise the utterance of the Lord. The things we all need are in the mouth and hands of the Lord; hence, the need to come to the Lord for us to get all these things from Him.Why don't you trust in the Lord alone,
What can you read in my post if I do not present my words and the words we've heard and learned from God, which He allowed us to write for dissemination to all? They are all testimonies to the Lord, and they are not the ones who save but the Lord Himself alone.why do you present words in a post? Your posts won't save you.
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #268[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #260]
We've heard and learned from the Lord that the bible is not the Word of God; I have read the bible and never read in it where God said the scriptures are the words of God.Who told you that? Is that more or your "personal words" or your so-called self proclaimed "Jesus" ?
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #269OneJack wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2026 10:23 pmDid Jesus want people to "believe [Moses'] writings ? Yes or No?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2026 3:32 pm '. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?
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Re: "Take my word for it, or his, or this book"
Post #270Who appointed you a messenger and what did the individual appointing you say the message was? (surely not a message about God because that is for God alone to do. ALONE doesn't mean God + you.
EXODUS 32:27
“Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘Write these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.’”
EXODUS 24:4a
And Moses wrote all the words of YHWH.
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