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For Debate: Is prayer just talking to yourself? If not, why not? Sure, prayer may make one feel satisfied/other, but there is likely no agency, on the other side, facilitating such desired response(s).

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People pray to many differing god(s) and/or other. Statistically speaking, many god(s) and/or other aren't answering, as many of these god(s) and/or other likely do not even exist. Hence, at least in part, many are merely talking to themselves in prayer. If many of the desired result(s) can happen in prayer, without any agency actually responding, because such agency does not exist, then it's quite plausible this is the case for all prayer.
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Re: Prayer

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AquinasForGod wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:21 pm By God showing you.
1) How exactly does God show people?
2) Does God show everyone, and some people either miss it somehow, or are in denial?
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Re: Prayer

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POI wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:16 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:21 pm By God showing you.
1) How exactly does God show people?
2) Does God show everyone, and some people either miss it somehow, or are in denial?
God reveals Himself to each person in a way that speaks to them, making His presence undeniable. Some may not recognize it until death, but if they accept Him then, they will find their way to purgatory.

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Re: Prayer

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AquinasForGod wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:57 pm
POI wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:16 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:21 pm By God showing you.
1) How exactly does God show people?
2) Does God show everyone, and some people either miss it somehow, or are in denial?
God reveals Himself to each person in a way that speaks to them, making His presence undeniable. Some may not recognize it until death, but if they accept Him then, they will find their way to purgatory.
This a great nothing-burger answer, in that there is no way for me to falsify your claim --- in that I will not find out until after I am dead. :approve:
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Re: Prayer

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POI wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:02 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:57 pm
POI wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:16 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:21 pm By God showing you.
1) How exactly does God show people?
2) Does God show everyone, and some people either miss it somehow, or are in denial?
God reveals Himself to each person in a way that speaks to them, making His presence undeniable. Some may not recognize it until death, but if they accept Him then, they will find their way to purgatory.
This a great nothing-burger answer, in that there is no way for me to falsify your claim --- in that I will not find out until after I am dead. :approve:
If you are expecting some human to convince you God is real, you might be waiting forever.

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Re: Prayer

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AquinasForGod wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:45 pm
POI wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:02 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:57 pm
POI wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:16 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:21 pm By God showing you.
1) How exactly does God show people?
2) Does God show everyone, and some people either miss it somehow, or are in denial?
God reveals Himself to each person in a way that speaks to them, making His presence undeniable. Some may not recognize it until death, but if they accept Him then, they will find their way to purgatory.
This a great nothing-burger answer, in that there is no way for me to falsify your claim --- in that I will not find out until after I am dead. :approve:
If you are expecting some human to convince you God is real, you might be waiting forever.
I reckon it would be quite simple for you to demonstrate that God answers prayer, if he indeed DOES answer prayer. Can you do that?
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Re: Prayer

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POI wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2025 2:04 am
AquinasForGod wrote: Sat Feb 15, 2025 11:45 pm
POI wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 6:02 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:57 pm
POI wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:16 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:21 pm By God showing you.
1) How exactly does God show people?
2) Does God show everyone, and some people either miss it somehow, or are in denial?
God reveals Himself to each person in a way that speaks to them, making His presence undeniable. Some may not recognize it until death, but if they accept Him then, they will find their way to purgatory.
This a great nothing-burger answer, in that there is no way for me to falsify your claim --- in that I will not find out until after I am dead. :approve:
If you are expecting some human to convince you God is real, you might be waiting forever.
I reckon it would be quite simple for you to demonstrate that God answers prayer, if he indeed DOES answer prayer. Can you do that?
Why would it be simple to demonstrate that God answers prayers?

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Re: Prayer

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AquinasForGod wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:05 pm Why would it be simple to demonstrate that God answers prayers?
We've had these discussions before. Ask God to tell you something personal about (me/POI), then tell (me/POI) what he said. This would prove the God you believe in is actually speaking and giving you information, as well as God giving you useful information which may also convince me. Otherwise, I say you are instead likely just taking to yourself in prayer. I'll await the non-reply, or the excuse(s), as to why you will not do this...
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Re: Prayer

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POI wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:36 pm
AquinasForGod wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:05 pm Why would it be simple to demonstrate that God answers prayers?
We've had these discussions before. Ask God to tell you something personal about (me/POI), then tell (me/POI) what he said. This would prove the God you believe in is actually speaking and giving you information, as well as God giving you useful information which may also convince me. Otherwise, I say you are instead likely just taking to yourself in prayer. I'll await the non-reply, or the excuse(s), as to why you will not do this...
So you think God works like a medium? Why should that be taken seriously?

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Re: Prayer

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AquinasForGod wrote: Tue Apr 08, 2025 8:16 am So you think God works like a medium? Why should that be taken seriously?
Oh, I thought God was a genie in a bottle. Just rub the lamp, make a wish, and viola. No? Seriously?

Does God answer the call to prayer? Yes or no?
Does God want all to get to know him? Yes or no?

Why ignore this request? It would almost convert me immediately.

I'll await your next excuse, in 1-6 weeks, or never....
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