Job 12: Is God active in the Natural World?

[Masterblaster]

Hello

Job12:
7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?
10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind

Somebody mentioned an Evolution phobia among Christians. What about a complete nature phobia?

Is God still turning up for work in our natural world?
(the best of Biblical Scripture states that he is).

Do you detect God in the natural world?

Why is this aspect of God largely ommitted from doctrine and discussion?
Is the mystical more attractive than the real?
Is Job correct in stating an awareness of God in all of creation?
Your opinion on this matter, please!

[Masterblaster]

Hello
Psalm 19:1: The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. 

Matthew 6:26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them.
28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow.

etc,....

Engagement with nature is vital to a Christian, for more reasons than I can mention here. You can engage with God directly. You can gain insight and receive wisdom that is nowhere else. You might find yourself in company, with other things that are aware of God ,as well. Be born again in God.Do not listen to me, listen to Jesus and Job and the Psalms, and.....

[JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitness says...
"Faith does not have a colour and as I said, our religion exists to worship the creator not to support any environmental movements."
"While Christians are not charged to form political parties or lobby groups to initiate govermental change, they have been commissioned by Christ to help those that are receptive, to conform to God's standards; this would include to respect God's creation"
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Please show me the stuff, JW!

Perhaps you can use a more specific word than "stuff" as I am unfortunately having a problem processing your request.

Are you asking for proof that Jesus commissioned Christians to preach? Or proof that Jehovahs Witnesses preach the bible? Or proof that we conduct bible studies? Or proof that conforming to God's standards would entail respecting His creation?

What "stuff" are you requesting?

[Masterblaster]

Hello JehovahsWitness

Post 5:Have you specific environmental directives that you issue?

Post 17:Our out reach work includes public campaigns, telephoning , letter writing , the Internet as well as personal home visits with the aim to effectuate a positive change with those we meet; indeed I doubt any other group has done more in their efforts to actively help individuals AVOID divine condemnation*.

Post 18:I asked you previously for the receipts on this.Destroying the natural world is worthy of God's condemnation. You admit as much. Where are your initiatives on this specific issue


That stuff!

(If you have none then just quietly join the queue.)

[JehovahsWitness]

Hello JehovahsWitness

Post 5:Have you specific environmental directives that you issue?

POST #8

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES believe our organisation to be a spiritual not a socio-environmental one and those that take the lead have no authority to issue directives , nor to police matters that are under the domain of personal conscience. That said, the bible does contain principles that should effect every aspect of life and Jehovah Witnesses are taught to be respectful of the planet and life on it, as we believe, all life belongs to God.

Post 18:..Destroying the natural world is worthy of God's condemnation. You admit as much. Where are your initiatives on this specific issue

I take it by "initiatives" you ar asking about organised ACTION. As I already explained , we contact everybody without prejudice; so obviously we must by definition contact people that are disespectful of the planet even If we dont initially know it. If such ones accept to study the bible with us , they will eventually learn Gods view of life and nature and as a consequence will cease to be disrespectful of the planet.Respect for life and God's creation is all a component of having a Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses. That is what we do ("initiatves").

NOTE: The above is not of our own "initiative" but in response to a bible command (see Mat 28:19, 20) .

Post 18:I asked you previously for the receipts on this.

I don't know why you use the word "receipts" in your request, as this means to me a written proof of exchange. We do not exchange anything but ideas and issue no bill or "receipt" thereof. Perhaps could you use a synonyme for the word "receipt" here to help me understand what you are asking for in the light of my statement above.


JW

[Masterblaster]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #24]

Hello JehovahsWitness

..from Dictionary.com

Receipts:
"WHO USES RECEIPTS?
Receipts is very widely used as an informal way of referring to “proof” or “evidence.” Receipts frequently come in the form of screenshots and other such images or videos.
These receipts may try to expose bad behavior, especially when someone is denying something they said or did. (Having said receipts means that person is busted. Asking for them is an act of self-defense.)
Receipts, however, is increasingly being used in positive ways—evidence that someone is genuine and can truly back up what they claim."
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This is becoming like doing one's own dentistry,which is ironic, as previously on this site you were dominant on pulling rabbits out of hats, ie a link here and a link there about everything under the sun.
Have you any receipts or not.
If you have not, it is ok!
Then quietly join 'The Queue of the Seemingly Remiss'. Thanks!

[Masterblaster]

Hello
This is an example of a Christian Receipt on Environmental Concerns ..

"In 2015, Francis wrote Laudato Si (Praised Be), a major document on the need to protect the environment, face the dangers and challenges of climate change and reduce the use of fossil fuels. Known as an encyclical, it is the highest form of papal writing

If it is presented for scrutiny on this debating site as a receipt ,you will probably conclude, as I do that it is santimonious lip service to a catastrophic disgrace. If you add to it the complete lack of follow up and directed mobilization of effort it now becomes farcical. Their heart was not in it and that is from a Pope coming from one of the most awe-inspiring and diverse environmental regions on our planet.

[Masterblaster]

Hello

From the start of 'Laudato Si'

"“Praise be to you, my Lord, through our Sister, Mother Earth, who sustains and governs us, and who produces various fruit with coloured flowers and herbs”.[1]
2. This sister now cries out to us because of the harm we have inflicted on her by our irresponsible use and abuse of the goods with which God has endowed her."
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This is a flavour of 'the thing'. Did you notice the card shuffle at the start. This is not even Bible scripture but is more akin to the quasi-paganism you would expect from a Mary-worshiping orthodox Catholic. He ran back to Mammy, to explain a seemingly absent Father. On this premise ,I cannot tolerate to read any more of this sermon from the self-declared Seat of Almighty Wisdom.
If the earth is your mother then be from a single parent family. Alternatively, revert to two God paganism. Don't use an alternative theology to your own to get you out of a hole!

They dress this up as 'various fruits and coloured flowers and herbs! In my Bible and in the words of Jesus, God gives us enough to survive on. It is not a picnic!
Genesis1

"29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."


Be under no illusion about all this. This is doctrinal juggling. The notion that man could desecrate the work of an active God via direct onslaught, is a no go area for Christians. How many ' omni' laws does that shatter?....not happening! Hence the Mammy buffer zone!

Yuk! (Am I being too harsh?)

[Masterblaster]

Hello

We have, as Christians, turned our back on Eden, never to return! It is in the Bible. We are reminiscing about Gods presence, using postcards of illusion.

Watch Water World, or Mad Max or The Book of Eli, or etc, to get a flavour of our subliminal despair.

Alternatively, go outside and search for your real home. It is a long time lost, so..
Good Luck!

[JehovahsWitness]

Hello JehovahsWitness

Post 5:Have you specific environmental directives that you issue?

POST #8

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES believe our organisation to be a spiritual not a socio-environmental one and those that take the lead have no authority to issue directives , nor to police matters that are under the domain of personal conscience. That said, the bible does contain principles that should effect every aspect of life and Jehovah Witnesses are taught to be respectful of the planet and life on it, as we believe, all life belongs to God.

Post 18:..Destroying the natural world is worthy of God's condemnation. You admit as much. Where are your initiatives on this specific issue

I take it by "initiatives" you ar asking about organised ACTION. As I already explained , we contact everybody without prejudice; so obviously we must by definition contact people that are disespectful of the planet even If we dont initially know it. If such ones accept to study the bible with us , they will eventually learn Gods view of life and nature and as a consequence will cease to be disrespectful of the planet.Respect for life and God's creation is all a component of having a Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses. That is what we do ("initiatves").

NOTE: The above is not of our own "initiative" but in response to a bible command (see Mat 28:19, 20) .


Masterblaster wrote Post 18:I asked you previously for “proof” or “evidence.” ... of screenshots and other such images or videos. on this.

Video evidence that Jehhovahs Witneess conduct worldwide preaching campaign: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#e ... es/Reports

Proof that Jehovahs Witnesses education program included encouragement to respect the planet as Gods creation: https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Environment+planet

Video Example JW nature program : John Ekrann: Creation Proves That Jehovah Wants Us to Rejoice—Fascinating Animals

Series on intelligent design:
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#e ... ItDesigned

JW information on Prison Reformation : https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Prison+ ... rel%26q%3D

The bible transforms lives: video testimonies: https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#e ... formations

[JehovahsWitness]

From the start of 'Laudato Si'

"“Praise be to you, my Lord, through our Sister, Mother Earth, who sustains and governs us, and who produces various fruit with coloured flowers and herbs”.[1] 2. This sister now cries out to us because of the harm we have inflicted on her by our irresponsible use and abuse of the goods with which God has endowed her."
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This is a flavour of 'the thing'. ...

Source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/501 ... anet&p=par

Eco-Friendly Design Brings Honor to Jehovah (Duration: 9:13)
https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#e ... 12_3_VIDEO

The more we learn about the earth and its living marvels, the more we ought to develop a profound respect for this truly dynamic planet and its infinitely wise Creator. - g00 11/22 pp. 11-12 - Awake!—2000

"As caretakers of God’s creation, we should do our best to respect the environment. (Psalm 115:16)" - Can planet Earth be saved? g 7/08 p. 12 - Awake!—2008

Improvement can take place when people care about their environment. "What can you do? Farmers and gardeners can remember that there is nothing wrong with compost or other organic fertilizers or the use of crop rotation to build up the soil. And could it be that you do not need to use your car as much as you do, or could you walk to a nearby store? Is it possible to curb water waste in your home? As housewives, can you use good old laundry soap instead of water-polluting phosphate detergents?" - g71 1/8 pp. 5-8 - Awake!—1971