Do you really care that I am going to hell?

Cmass · Post by **Cmass** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:55 am

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist. I don't think you really truly believe any of your non-believing family will either. I think deep down, you know it just isn't true.

If you do believe they will all fry and are not doing absolutely everything in your power to stop it, I would suggest that you are a very cold, dispassionate person. If you really believed your dearly beloved mother was going to burn in hell right next to Cmass and Charles Manson then you would stop at nothing to convince her to accept Jesus. You would not just gently encourage, you would be emotionally and perhaps even physically engaged on a daily and hourly basis. You most certainly would not be reading this silly OP right now. Not if you REALLY cared.

Think about it. If you saw your mother being beaten by someone on the street, would you stop to help save her? Would you put your own life at risk to keep her from drowning? Is there anything you would not do to help her? OK, what about eternal torture in hell? Doesn't this concern you? What about all the other people in your life who are going to hell? Doesn't this leave you feeling devastated? If I believed there was a hell and that so many people would be going - especially any of my friends or family - I would be in constant agony myself and would devote my life to stopping it. Or, I would be numb.

Does your knowledge that so many people will be in eternal torture bother you very much on a daily basis?

This OP came about after reading commentary by some of our more conservative Christian friends in here. Some seem to have no real problem with all us atheists burning in hell forever. Granted, there are probably some personal anger issues involved but still, I have always been uneasy with how casual many Christians are when it comes to discussing eternal damnation. Some get more upset over running over a kitty than the eternal torture of their best friend.

Nonetheless, I give most the benefit of the doubt: I don't think they are really that cold. I just don't think they really believe as much in the hell concept as they report.

adlemi · Post by **adlemi** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:32 am

Confused wrote: Ok, bring God into existence and I will consider what you have to say.

God does exist and in full control of all things including death hence you yourself cannot even control or prevent your imminent death someday, can you?

adlemi · Post by **adlemi** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:45 am

Confused wrote: And how do you know the answer you got was from the Lord rather than subterfuge by the devil?

He has many ways to show us that He is really God and the most impossible thing that no one, even satan and his devils, can do -to read our minds - is a thing which only God the Almighty can perform in front of anyone at any time and any place. And this one makes me sure that He is God for He has done this to me many times as well as more miracles like seeing with my two eyes my nephew walking with his feet not touching the flooring of a big mall for about 100 meters. The devil is just like us, created beings of God, and they do have limited capabilities.

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:46 am

adlemi wrote:
Confused wrote: Ok, bring God into existence and I will consider what you have to say.
God does exist and in full control of all things including death hence you yourself cannot even control or prevent your imminent death someday, can you?

I am sorry, I am still waiting for you to bring Him into existence. How can I attribute my impending death to something that doesn't exist yet?

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:48 am

adlemi wrote:
Confused wrote: And how do you know the answer you got was from the Lord rather than subterfuge by the devil?
He has many ways to show us that He is really God and the most impossible thing that no one, even satan and his devils, can do -to read our minds - is a thing which only God the Almighty can perform in front of anyone at any time and any place. And this one makes me sure that He is God for He has done this to me many times as well as more miracles like seeing with my two eyes my nephew walking with his feet not touching the flooring of a big mall for about 100 meters. The devil is just like us, created beings of God, and they do have limited capabilities.

Well, I guess I am just in the category of those not special enough to be granted an audience with this God.

With this being the case, I have to rely on those superior enough to have been granted His audience to bring His existence into reality for me. So I am waiting.

adlemi · Post by **adlemi** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:02 am

Openmind wrote: It must seem a shame to you that you and your immediate family are the only ones in the christian world who have this special, direct line to God.

On the contrary, this is a great honor to us that we encounter God but we do not say that we are the only ones (in this world) who happened to meet God the way as He does exist in His own way.

Openmind wrote: No one else on this board claims it.

I did this just for the purpose of sharing to you guys the reality of the existence of the Lord God (not to brag of anything for our own sake and fame/popularity) so that you on your own can also go and come to the Lord God and so that God in return can come in to you.

Openmind wrote:Other christians in the world have though. Some say God tells them different things. What about those that say God told them to kill others?

That is chaos and murder and that's satan and his cohorts. God told us that He did not command anyone, except to Abraham (though it did not prosper for God prevented him before he was able to do it), to kill nor to reap the life of his fellow men.

adlemi · Post by **adlemi** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:09 am

Confused wrote: I am sorry, I am still waiting for you to bring Him into existence. How can I attribute my impending death to something that doesn't exist yet?

My job is just to scatter to others things God tells me to but not to play unto others the role of God. I only hope you may prevent your impending death or change your mind for the benefit of your soul. I am saddened that it seems there is no hope in your perception at the moment.

adlemi · Post by **adlemi** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:16 am

Confused wrote:
adlemi wrote:
Confused wrote: And how do you know the answer you got was from the Lord rather than subterfuge by the devil?
He has many ways to show us that He is really God and the most impossible thing that no one, even satan and his devils, can do -to read our minds - is a thing which only God the Almighty can perform in front of anyone at any time and any place. And this one makes me sure that He is God for He has done this to me many times as well as more miracles like seeing with my two eyes my nephew walking with his feet not touching the flooring of a big mall for about 100 meters. The devil is just like us, created beings of God, and they do have limited capabilities.
Well, I guess I am just in the category of those not special enough to be granted an audience with this God.

With this being the case, I have to rely on those superior enough to have been granted His audience to bring His existence into reality for me. So I am waiting.

Your faith be done unto you and may you be saved by same.

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:18 am

adlemi wrote:
Confused wrote: I am sorry, I am still waiting for you to bring Him into existence. How can I attribute my impending death to something that doesn't exist yet?
My job is just to scatter to others things God tells me to but not to play unto others the role of God. I only hope you may prevent your impending death or change your mind for the benefit of your soul. I am saddened that it seems there is no hope in your perception at the moment.

My impending death will be compliments of leukemia, a genetic mutation, not God. But impending is such an immediate term. Rather, my inevitable death.

Confused · Post by **Confused** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:19 am

adlemi wrote:
Confused wrote:
adlemi wrote:
Confused wrote: And how do you know the answer you got was from the Lord rather than subterfuge by the devil?
He has many ways to show us that He is really God and the most impossible thing that no one, even satan and his devils, can do -to read our minds - is a thing which only God the Almighty can perform in front of anyone at any time and any place. And this one makes me sure that He is God for He has done this to me many times as well as more miracles like seeing with my two eyes my nephew walking with his feet not touching the flooring of a big mall for about 100 meters. The devil is just like us, created beings of God, and they do have limited capabilities.
Well, I guess I am just in the category of those not special enough to be granted an audience with this God.

With this being the case, I have to rely on those superior enough to have been granted His audience to bring His existence into reality for me. So I am waiting.
Your faith be done unto you and may you be saved by same.

Umm, I have a question... huh?????

twobitsmedia · Post by **twobitsmedia** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:28 am

adlemi wrote:
That is chaos and murder and that's satan and his cohorts. God told us that He did not command anyone, except to Abraham (though it did not prosper for God prevented him before he was able to do it), to kill nor to reap the life of his fellow men.

But Abraham is a story from the Bible. Why is that one OK and the rest of the Bible not?