Why Attack Christianity?

RevJP · Post by **RevJP** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:24 am

I was just wondering about reasons for what people do. I understand why Christians evangelize. Our faith tells us that we have an eternal soul and that the eternal dispensation of that soul is determined by what happens here on earth. Eternal life, living with the almighty God is based on our faith and acceptance of Him and failure to accept Him as Lord results in our eternal seperation from Him. The choice is clear, eternal glory, or eternal suffering.

So we are commanded to spread the Good news, to allow everyone to accept Christ, and we do so for the sake of their eternal soul, altruistic? Perhaps, but we do it out of love, His love working through us.

So what I am really wondering about is why non-believers need to attack our faith, or feel the need? narrowing it down a bit, why would a non-believer come to a Christianity discussion forum to denounce that faith, or try to persuade those there that their faith is wrong?

I'm really wondering at motivation. We understand the motivation of the Christian for spreading the Word of his/her faith, but what is the motivation for the non-beleiver to attack it? What do they gain or lose? What reward hinges upon them being successful or not at convincing someone to abandon their faith, or to turn away from considering adopting that faith?

If my faith is wrong, and there is no God, no heaven, no hell, what do I lose? In this life nothing, in eternity nothing? As a Christian I lose nothing. For the rabid non-beleiver however, the answer is quite different is it not? If their view is wrong and there is a God in heaven and a devil in hell, what do they lose?

So I'm wondering at why....

harvey1 · Post by **harvey1** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:25 pm

LillSnopp wrote:
So, just for clarity, you aren't saying that "no God exists" is an assertion you can prove, right? Rather, it seems you are saying "God exists" is not a provable assertion, is that right?
No, i was talking for the masses. I know no God exist because I am an Illuminati, You on the other hand, is an ignorant, not much can be done about this, im sorry.

Just like I figured. I'm geniunely embarrassed for you.

LillSnopp · Post by **LillSnopp** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:34 pm

I'll be praying for you.

Well Gosh, thanx. I presume i can live a happy life until this cruel God of yours suddenly appears in my life and dictates the new moral (as i presume being a caring loving man, whom does not hurt, lie or deceit other people is not suited?) for me.

Just like I figured. I'm geniunely embarrassed for you.

How nice of you, and im saddened that you will always live in darkness. I give you a hint of help. Try to read the Cave Simile of Plato, and then, if you wish, tell me what you think it means, as i suspect you can not interpret it. Dont let others do it for you, try it for yourself, Come on, its a genuine chance for you to open your eyes.

harvey1 · Post by **harvey1** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:05 pm

LillSnopp wrote:How nice of you, and im saddened that you will always live in darkness. I give you a hint of help.

Why don't you try to provide reasons for your views rather than rely on your rhetoric as a crutch? There's many smart atheists and agnostics here whom you could learn a great deal from. Learn from their example. I don't ask you to listen to me, listen to those who share your views.

LillSnopp wrote:Try to read the Cave Simile of Plato, and then, if you wish, tell me what you think it means, as i suspect you can not interpret it. Dont let others do it for you, try it for yourself, Come on, its a genuine chance for you to open your eyes.

This is a well-known allegory of Plato's cave. Plato himself provides an interpretation:

But, at any rate, my dream as it appears to me is that in the region of the known the last thing to be seen and hardly seen is the idea of good, and that when seen it must needs point us to the conclusion that this is indeed the cause for all things of all that is right and beautiful, giving birth in the visible world to light, and the author of light and itself in the intelligible world being the authentic source of truth and reason, and that anyone who is to act wisely in private or public must have caught sight of this.

I realize that you wish to convince others by appealing to metaphors and allegories, but rather than do so, why not provide a logical argument to support your views? If you wish to defend a faith based approach to atheism, then may I suggest that you make your argument in support of faith here?

Post by **otseng** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:21 pm

LillSnopp wrote: I know no God exist because I am an Illuminati, You on the other hand, is an ignorant, not much can be done about this, im sorry.

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LillSnopp · Post by **LillSnopp** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 1:57 pm

This is a well-known allegory of Plato's cave. Plato himself provides an interpretation:

Like i said, you where not able to interpret it. Interesting.

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otseng, the opposite of an Illuminati is an Ignorant, this is not an insult, this is simply what he is. I apologize if you where not able to understand this.

harvey1 · Post by **harvey1** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:16 pm

LillSnopp wrote:
This is a well-known allegory of Plato's cave. Plato himself provides an interpretation:
Like i said, you where not able to interpret it. Interesting.

Is there a point to all of this? If so, please make a logical argument, otherwise I have no time for this.

Arch · Post by **Arch** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:26 am

LillSnopp wrote: I know no God exist because I am an Illuminati,

So LILSnopp, Do You BELIEVE you are a reptlian decedant of Reptilian aliens who invaded the planet in ancient times?

Do You BELIEVE yourself to be one of the offspring of this race who used to bleed blue blood but now bleed red because of intermixing with humans.

Do you believe you are one of these reptilians posing as humans who have pushed themselves into to power by creating a organization called the Illuminati?

Do you just BELIEVE you are a member of the a secret society called the Illuminati that are human but still are a group of people who rule the world?

Or are you claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to any subject?

I would really like to know why you keep saying you are Illuminati. I just want to be clear on what you are saying exactly.

I hope you are just saying you are intelligent

Dilettante · Post by **Dilettante** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:36 am

LillSnopp,

The Illuminati--the secret society--ceased to exist at the beginning of the 19th century.

So, when you say you're an Illuminato, I'll just assume you're referring to some Swedish garage rock band.

Corvus · Post by **Corvus** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 8:57 am

Dilettante wrote:LillSnopp,

The Illuminati--the secret society--ceased to exist at the beginning of the 19th century.

So, when you say you're an Illuminato, I'll just assume you're referring to some Swedish garage rock band.

He may also be using an...er...ostentatious word to mean "enlightened", as the "Brights" movement did.

On obscure Swedish bands: I kind of like Therion myself.

LillSnopp · Post by **LillSnopp** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:06 am

He may also be using an...er...ostentatious word to mean "enlightened", as the "Brights" movement did.

Congratulation, nice to see that someone knows a bit of Latin. But if you feel that latin is "ostentatious", i guess you are equally impressed by English?