Do you really care that I am going to hell?

[Cmass]

I don't think you really believe I will fry in Hell for being an Atheist. I don't think you really truly believe any of your non-believing family will either. I think deep down, you know it just isn't true.

If you do believe they will all fry and are not doing absolutely everything in your power to stop it, I would suggest that you are a very cold, dispassionate person. If you really believed your dearly beloved mother was going to burn in hell right next to Cmass and Charles Manson then you would stop at nothing to convince her to accept Jesus. You would not just gently encourage, you would be emotionally and perhaps even physically engaged on a daily and hourly basis. You most certainly would not be reading this silly OP right now. Not if you REALLY cared.

Think about it. If you saw your mother being beaten by someone on the street, would you stop to help save her? Would you put your own life at risk to keep her from drowning? Is there anything you would not do to help her? OK, what about eternal torture in hell? Doesn't this concern you? What about all the other people in your life who are going to hell? Doesn't this leave you feeling devastated? If I believed there was a hell and that so many people would be going - especially any of my friends or family - I would be in constant agony myself and would devote my life to stopping it. Or, I would be numb.

Does your knowledge that so many people will be in eternal torture bother you very much on a daily basis?

This OP came about after reading commentary by some of our more conservative Christian friends in here. Some seem to have no real problem with all us atheists burning in hell forever. Granted, there are probably some personal anger issues involved but still, I have always been uneasy with how casual many Christians are when it comes to discussing eternal damnation. Some get more upset over running over a kitty than the eternal torture of their best friend.

Nonetheless, I give most the benefit of the doubt: I don't think they are really that cold. I just don't think they really believe as much in the hell concept as they report.

[adlemi]

Adlemi,

I think perhaps some of what we have discussed earlier assumes you and your mother would die simultaneously. If your mother died well before you and you knew she was in Hell, how would that affect your current state of mind here on earth?.

Well, having that as the premise this time, I would say yes it would affect my current state of mind here on earth. But there is nothing that I can do but to accept that she is already dead and, face a tree sometimes and whispher to my mother to go back to God, that way the Lord may possibly allows her to hear my plea to her. I will be committing sin against the Lord if I will continue to burden my conscience everyday regarding her destiny in hell. The Lord teaches us that we people have to always give our own burdens to the Lord and that we shall not carry those problems on our own shoulder if we have trust in the Lord lest we be committing sin against Him.

Also, I am struggling to understand you and what you say on many levels. Please help me.
What church or house of worship are you a member of?.

The Lord said to us that He puts us in to His own Church, the one which He himself is the Head.

Does your group have a name like 7th Day Adventist or Lutheran or Christian Scientist or Catholic etc...??.

No and you cannot even locate this church unless you encounter the Lord. You can only know this church through the reality of Jesus Christ because He is the One who will tell you all about His Church. This church has no building structures like the ones you said.

Also, at what point in your life did you begin to hear God directly?.

July 2001

Was there some event that occured which sparked formation of your religious practices?.

It was indeed 14 years in the making until this was fully revealed to us in the month of July 2001. There are many factors that puzzled us within this span of 14 years but the most serious one was due to sickness which no one can diagnosed nor healed which lead us to total surrender and calling on to Jesus" help, then comes the Lord revealing to us these things. I'll send you our story via PM for you to know more about us.

Do you live on your own or with a group?.

With my family.

If in a group, are you related by blood, by marriage or by religious affiliation?
Do you have children?.

I have three, all guys, 22, 17, and 16.

If so, do they live with you?.

Yup.

Did you go to University or do you have any formal, accredited education beyond High School?

College graduate

If so, what was the subject?.

Civil Engineering

I ask these questions because I am trying to understand how you arrived at your present state of mind..

I see, everybody is welcome anyway.

Also, you seem worried about being kicked off the forum..

I'm not worried because we are always being warned by the Lord that the world will hate us since we place ourselves under the Lord's care and custody. The bible is the key factor why I was banned in other fora like this one, they perceived us to be anti-bible hence anti-God as they concluded.

I have read nothing by you that would indicate hostility toward others so, unless you have been reprimanded in some other thread, I don't see why you would be asked to leave.

Mine is only just in case I get banned, if not, thanks be to God and to all of you guys.

[adlemi]

I guess that would be the issue: "if it is." If you are not sure, then it has no reliability.

Yes indeed, if I am not sure it does follow that it has no reliability. But the fact is, on my own, I am 100% it is God because He is able to read what I'm thinking as well as the miracles and other things He has shown to us.

[adlemi]

I worded the question badly. How reliable is your perception that a particular communication is from God??

God gave us some parameters to determine whether a particular communication is from God or not. However, the reliability of my perception depends on how well do you know God (in your perception or in the reality of His existence).

So many people have had so many different revelations from God. How do you know that your particular revelations are true?

Aside from the said revelations, God did reveal Himself to us and we know deep in our heart that He is really God. The most is He is able to read the things in our mind.

[Cmass]

Adlemi wrote:

Aside from the said revelations, God did reveal Himself to us and we know deep in our heart that He is really God. The most is He is able to read the things in our mind.

You often refer to "us" and "we". Are you referring to yourself other physical people currently living on earth, other people in another plain of reality, other spirits, ghosts or something else entirely?
Thanks,
- Cmas

[Scrotum]

I worded the question badly. How reliable is your perception that a particular communication is from God??

God gave us some parameters to determine whether a particular communication is from God or not. However, the reliability of my perception depends on how well do you know God (in your perception or in the reality of His existence).

So many people have had so many different revelations from God. How do you know that your particular revelations are true?

Aside from the said revelations, God did reveal Himself to us and we know deep in our heart that He is really God. The most is He is able to read the things in our mind.

I notice you talk in plural quite often. Whom are these other people? And how do you know what they perceive? (Do you also, like your God, have magical powers and can read peoples minds?)

[adlemi]

I notice you talk in plural quite often. Whom are these other people? And how do you know what they perceive? (Do you also, like your God, have magical powers and can read peoples minds?)

You often refer to "us" and "we". Are you referring to yourself other physical people currently living on earth, other people in another plain of reality, other spirits, ghosts or something else entirely?

The word "us" refers to my husband, sons, nephew, and friends (the most numbers that we reached was 14) who then were able to hear the Lord. The Lord said to us that we are considered one family in the Families of God. WE and my family are now living apart from my nephew and our friends.

[Scrotum]

I notice you talk in plural quite often. Whom are these other people? And how do you know what they perceive? (Do you also, like your God, have magical powers and can read peoples minds?)

You often refer to "us" and "we". Are you referring to yourself other physical people currently living on earth, other people in another plain of reality, other spirits, ghosts or something else entirely?

The word "us" refers to my wife, sons, nephew, and friends (the most numbers that we reached was 14) who then were able to hear the Lord. The Lord said to us that we are considered one family in the Families of God. WE and my family are now living apart from my nephew and our friends.

So you seclude yourselfs from others, because they do not hear the voices you hear?


Im curious, just as a side note for myself, do you go to the doctor when someone sick? Use medicin? Eat food from the store? Or are you totally secluded and care only for yourself? (And why).

[adlemi]

I notice you talk in plural quite often. Whom are these other people? And how do you know what they perceive? (Do you also, like your God, have magical powers and can read peoples minds?)

You often refer to "us" and "we". Are you referring to yourself other physical people currently living on earth, other people in another plain of reality, other spirits, ghosts or something else entirely?

The word "us" refers to my husband, sons, nephew, and friends (the most numbers that we reached was 14) who then were able to hear the Lord. The Lord said to us that we are considered one family in the Families of God. WE and my family are now living apart from my nephew and our friends.

So you seclude yourselfs from others, because they do not hear the voices you hear?).

Sorry for my mistake with the word "wife", it should be read as "husband". What I said is that my family and I are now living apart from my nephew and our friends. I don't recall saying "because they do not hear the voices I hear", do I? Are you interpreting what I said?

My nephew has his own family and he has to live with them and so with our friends who have also their own familes to whom they must live with also. Though we are living apart, we are still one family in the Families of God.

[Im curious, just as a side note for myself, do you go to the doctor when someone sick? ).

No, why should I go to a doctor when someone is sick? But there are times that I do when I am sick, I ask my husband to go with me to a doctor, or when my husband is sick, we go to a doctor, and so with anyone of my children when they are sick, we do go to a doctor.

[Use medicin? Eat food from the store? Or are you totally secluded and care only for yourself? (And why).

We live the way as ordinary family does, that's all.

[Openmind]

It's probably safe to assume at this point that you are not a typical christian Adlemi, and are rather a member of a very seclusive and small sect. Do you have an official name?

I wonder, how would you react if I told you another group similar to yours also claimed to hear God directly, but their version of God's revelations contradicted your own?

Would you assume that they are not truly hearing God? Would you think that perhaps they are schizophrenic if they are hearing voices that are clearly not the same as the one you hear?

White rabbits to chase, but nevertheless, your answers are important on this forum.

But there is nothing that I can do but to accept that she is already dead and, face a tree sometimes and whispher to my mother to go back to God, that way the Lord may possibly allows her to hear my plea to her

I must say - I have never heard of a christian cult that can drag people from the depths of a supposedly inescapable Hell by whispering to trees. You truly have unique views Adlemi. Did God reveal this method of ressurection to you directly? Please, do them same for me if I pass before you, I wasn't aware it was possible to escape Hell!

[Zzyzx]

The word "us" refers to my husband, sons, nephew, and friends (the most numbers that we reached was 14) who then were able to hear the Lord. The Lord said to us that we are considered one family in the Families of God. WE and my family are now living apart from my nephew and our friends.

This illustrates one of the major defects I see in religion -- that it is divisive -- it separates people (even families) from one another over difference is what is believed about invisible super-beings.

No one belief can be shown to be superior to any other. It is all a matter of personal opinion (or personal "belief") – not a matter of fact. No matter how fervently a person or group believes that they know “god’s word”, it is only their opinion – one that is obviously not shared by people in general. However, because the opinion is about “gods”, it is regarded as “sacred” and non-negotiable.

“My concept of god is blessed by god and is therefore superior to your concept of god which is defective because you worship a false god or you worship the right god in the wrong way. Either way, you are wrong and I am right. My god is better than your god. I am going to heaven and you are going to hell – because my god says so.”

Religious fragmentation of society leads to suspicion, distrust, dislike, competition, conflict, and warfare – because of a difference of opinion about invisible (and probably or possibly imaginary) super beings up in the sky.

Whose opinion is “right” and why?