Catholic child sexual abuse worse than previously known

[Tcg]

"Reckoning

An NBC Bay Area investigation into a new wave of lawsuits accusing Catholic clergy of sexually abusing children
By Candice Nguyen, Michael Bott and Alex Bozovic

The Catholic church is once again being buried in child sex abuse accusations across California. More than 4,000 people are suing Catholic institutions across the state, enabled by a recent law that opened a window for survivors to sue their alleged abusers, no matter how far back their accusations go. Hundreds of Northern California priests are being accused for the first time, including some still working in churches and schools today. NBC Bay Area’s Investigative Unit dug through the new claims, which suggest the decades-long scandal could go far deeper than the public previously knew."

<https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigatio ... g/3458889/>

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Why would anyone who cares about children continue to support this institution?


Tcg

[wkt_1]

[Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #10]

somewhere its right

[Tcg]

Why would anyone who cares about children continue to support this institution?

Is it the institution that abuses, or is it the people who do so?

If I restate the question for debate just for you, will you answer it?


Tcg

[1213]

Why would anyone who cares about children continue to support this institution?

Is it the institution that abuses, or is it the people who do so?

If I restate the question for debate just for you, will you answer it?

Yes.

[1213]

Why would anyone who cares about children continue to support this institution?

Is it the institution that abuses, or is it the people who do so?

It is the institution.

Please explain how? I don't see how the institution does it.

Giving money to the Catholic church is the same as buying child porn for them.

If that would be true, giving money to anyone is the same as buying child porn for them.

[The Nice Centurion]

Why would anyone who cares about children continue to support this institution?

Is it the institution that abuses, or is it the people who do so?

It is the institution.

Please explain how? I don't see how the institution does it.

Catholic church is (for self inflicted reasonable reasons) sinonymous to Pedophilian! What other institution is?

Giving money to the Catholic church is the same as buying child porn for them.

If that would be true, giving money to anyone is the same as buying child porn for them.

This is interesting. I can't follow your reasoning.

Please elaborate why you see it that this a fact is?

[Tcg]

[Replying to Tcg in post #1]

We've uncovered one reason why anyone who cares about children continues to support this institution and that is denial of the clear facts involved. Is denial a valid reason to abandon one's care for the innocent ones unfortunate enough to get caught in this systemized protected abuse of children?


Tcg

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to Tcg in post #16]
Another reason is superstition. Many people fear the don't get to heaven if they won't support the child raping sect with money and stay members of it.

A bad conscience from giving away lifelong money to someone who might buy child porn with it, is a small prize to pay for entrace to jeaven, they think.

[historia]

We've uncovered one reason why anyone who cares about children continues to support this institution and that is denial of the clear facts involved.

Perhaps I missed this. Who has denied the facts involved? And which facts have they denied?

[historia]

Why would anyone who cares about children continue to support this institution?

The reason why anyone supports any institution is because they find value in what that institution provides their community.

Many of us, for example, value public schools and universities because of the affordable educational opportunities they provide. And yet -- to expand on the point bjs made in post #2 -- it's trivially easy to find news articles detailing the many, many cases of sexual assault that occur in public schools and universities each year, as well as numerous cases of administrators in those institutions covering up those incidents.

Just sticking with the state of California, consider, for example, the news coverage of the sexual abuse scandal in the Redlands Unified School District, and a recent report detailing systemic issues around sexual assault and the mishandling of such cases in the California State University system.

It would be easy, based on these examples alone, to make the same kind of sweeping statements made elsewhere in this thread: Public schools provide a safe haven for sexual predators. Public universities protect their own. Why would anyone who cares about children and young adults continue to support public schools and public universities?

And yet, despite all that, I have no doubt that most of the participants in this thread do, in fact, support public schools and universities. I suspect many of you, like me, would like to see these institutions address these horrific cases of assault by compensating victims, removing the offenders, undertaking significant reforms in hiring practices, and implementing stringent safeguards to protect students. I think it's reasonable to favor that over withdrawing support from public schools altogether.

The same is true of the Catholic Church. Many people -- not just Roman Catholics -- value the Church for it's schools, universities, and hospitals, the social services it provides to the poor and homeless, as well as the counseling and spiritual support it provides its many millions of parishioners. It has historically played a critical role in shaping the western values that we all share.

The Church has in recent decades taken significant steps to address sexual abuse. It absolutely can, and should, do more to compensate victims, remove offenders, and put in place safeguards to ensure this doesn't happen to anyone again. But I think it's reasonable for Catholics to favor that over withdrawing support for the Church altogether.

That's why people continue to support this institution.

And, at a time when we're seeing historically low trust in institutions in the United States -- and a corresponding rise in social and political instability because of that -- I think we should all favor reforms that make the institutions in our society better, rather than looking to tear them down.

[TRANSPONDER]

I get that, But the pr0blems are:

secrecy. Religions do not allow their dealings to be open to investigation the way any other organisation is. In short, they consider themselves above the law.

Moral High Ground. They claim to be in a position to teach people how to live, but if these accusations are true, they have no business to teach anyone anything.

Religious validity. If religions are not true, they provide nothing but lies and scamming us out of money. There may be a case for community and charity, but would we accept Islamic law being imposed in the west on those grounds? If not, why should Christian 'Law' be tolerated, just because we have gotten used to it?