What ever happened to all the natural girls?
I see that girls at the pool and beach have to pierce their belly buttons and have crap hanging from it. They have charms on their shoelaces, charms hanging on their cell phones glued to their ears and a ring on every finger. Their 'cup cakes' are all plastic as well as their lips. If they don't silicone the breasts, then they are tattooed or nipples pierced.
Breasts don't need a damn thing to embellish them - they are perfect as is.
The girls pierce their genitals, have studs inside their mouths and noses. Tons of rings running up and down their ears. And many of them seem to have the sensitivity 'down there' of one that has been vibrating with belt sander.
I don't look at porno much, I'm not a prude, but being a sex addict I had cut it out about 95% if I wanted any peace. But in the off chance I take a peek, the sex seems so artificial and the girl has to be choked at the end by the guy or slapped around and abused. It is really not a turn on any longer. It is like watching robots having sex.
(...) writes: "This girl I am with now wants me to put my hand around her neck and choke her...not even during sex - like when we kiss or before sex. Is this normal?"
I guess choking is a natural progression for search of higher highs for the insatiable sex addict. Same with all this external stuff that women grasp at seeking happiness - looking for inner fulfillment through outer possessions.
From: How to Want What You Have:
"People who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of sensual pleasure find that the more pleasure they get, the more they want. Small, ordinary pleasures soon lose their power to please and must be replaced with more intense or exotic ones. Heedless sensualists usually meet a bad end. They learn the hard way that their desires are relentless and insatiable."
Once in a while I see a nice, natural girl, without tons of makeup that exudes inner and outer beauty. Fresh pink skin, clean, plain and nicely groomed hair and dressed neatly. No, she is not a hot babe if one judges them by current trends, but she exhibits her 'hotness' in a way that seems to be lost nowadays...freshness and wholesomeness.
Now, I seldom get a chance to talk with these wholesome beauties, so I am judging them by externals. No doubt surface appearance is not reliable, and their inner beauty may not match their outer beauty, but at least it is a start in the right direction.
V (Male)
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What ever happened to all the natural girls?
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Post #2
There's a statistic that more than 51% of women in their mid 20's to early 30's aren't married. I think it was on cnn, but it doesn't matter.
The point is that I think there's a trend going on here. Either more and more women are finding themselves best without marriage, or more and more men are giving up looking.
lol.
Either way, you're not alone. Call it trend, call it misplaced ideals, even call it ignorant, it's just a stereotype to everyone else.
But try to think of it this way. Whatever you project, you tend to get back. And the worse part is, people like that can't get a handle on their own problems.
I think there was a time...probably before when I was alive, when people got married apart from physical statements, fantastic whims, or just for the hell of it. (not to say everyone does).
People are so centered on outward projections that they only find out 5-10 years later they don't no who they were married to. Or why they're strangling their spouse for sexual satisfaction.
It's an ugly part of this society.
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"ladies we go through men like tissues don't we? We just pull em' out and use em and throw em in the trash.....until we're thrity....and the tissue box is empty. And we're looking for that little piece with the corners that hasn't been used yet.
'where was the one that liked me too much? Or the one that brought the dog home'?"
lol.
-random comedian
The point is that I think there's a trend going on here. Either more and more women are finding themselves best without marriage, or more and more men are giving up looking.
lol.
Either way, you're not alone. Call it trend, call it misplaced ideals, even call it ignorant, it's just a stereotype to everyone else.
But try to think of it this way. Whatever you project, you tend to get back. And the worse part is, people like that can't get a handle on their own problems.
I think there was a time...probably before when I was alive, when people got married apart from physical statements, fantastic whims, or just for the hell of it. (not to say everyone does).
People are so centered on outward projections that they only find out 5-10 years later they don't no who they were married to. Or why they're strangling their spouse for sexual satisfaction.
It's an ugly part of this society.
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"ladies we go through men like tissues don't we? We just pull em' out and use em and throw em in the trash.....until we're thrity....and the tissue box is empty. And we're looking for that little piece with the corners that hasn't been used yet.
'where was the one that liked me too much? Or the one that brought the dog home'?"
lol.
-random comedian
a woman's reply and my response
Post #3From another foum on this same topic
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Originally posted by matisse
LOL... oh man.
Jesus Christ... you sound like you have some serious issues.
Actually, you sound like a paedophile: "Once in a while I see a nice, natural girl, without tons of makeup that exudes inner and outer beauty. Fresh pink skin, clean, plain and nicely groomed hair and dressed neatly. No, she is not a hot babe if one judges them by current trends, but she exhibits her 'hotness' in a way that seems to be lost nowadays...freshness and wholesomeness." Let me guess, you prefer women to be "brazilian waxed". The less a woman appears to be an adult, the better for you, correct?
Males project their idealized image of how women should look then, when they are accommodated, turn around and attack that very same image. Maybe you should deal with your complaint that women (girls, in you world) aren't fitting your image of how they should appear by changing yourself. This doesn't seem to be the proper forum to air your personal sexual fantasies. You doi realize that "girls" refers to pre-pubescent females, that girls become women when they begin menstruation, right?
quote:
Now, I seldom get a chance to talk with these wholesome beauties, so I am judging them by externals. No doubt surface appearance is not reliable, and their inner beauty may not match their outer beauty, but at least it is a start in the right direction.
The "right" direction meaning the direction of your choice.
One would think sex addicts have plenty to work on within themselves before complaining about others. Men who need porn to stimulate themselves sexually have deeper problems then how women should appear. Addiction is not being able to get enough of what you really don't want. Maybe you should look at that too.
Incidentally, since you are also an over-eater, you might think about referring to areas of the anatomy by their proper name instead of using food substitutions like "cup cakes".
You remind me of the dark side of self-esteem.
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V writes:
Thank you for your reply matisse.
Girls? I just refer to young women as girls. Hell, I call my wife 'my girl' once on awhile. If my use of that term is wrong, then please excuse me. Our high schools refer to their sport teams as girls and boys teams...but maybe we are all wrong.
I am sorry that I do not have time to reply to all the posts in this thread, as I am very busy. But will take some time to respond to this one and hopefully answer a few questions for all.
The point of my original post was to discuss how women nowadays are predisposed to recreating 'the natural into the unnatural' matisse.
I make no demands women change in any way. My only demand is that I may have freedom to live, think and to write. but this is something you wish to deny me it seems.
You write; "This doesn't seem to be the proper forum to air your personal sexual fantasies."
I tried to keep such personal sexual discussion to a minimum and focus on the subject of natural girls and the defacement to their bodies. Don't forget, the girls of today will be the women of tomorrow. We are at a 'simple living' and 'enough' forum, so I felt it a timely topic to bring up.
You write: "Oh Man...Jesus Christ... you sound like you have some serious issues." .....Because I wish for a person can be at peace with their natural state of being?
You write I "sound like a pedophile" ....Do I sound like a pedophile matisse because I appreciate natural beauty? I appreciate it in old as well as young. I find many women into their 60's and some beyond beautiful.
You write "Let me guess, you (V) prefer women to be "brazilian waxed". The less a woman appears to be an adult, the better for you, correct?" .....re-read my OP. I wrote about natural girls, although I am not adverse to a hair cut if hair is excessive. I like women to look like women. The issues you mention stem from your own personal prejudices. All problems are created in the mind. These are just such issues that bother you but do not bother me and you have to come to peace with them for yourself.
You write: "One would think sex addicts have plenty to work on within themselves before complaining about others." ... Successful transformation in recovery requires one to look within as well as to look outside of one's self. I learn form all...both as to success and failures. When I see a direction that leads to failure - I do the opposite.
You write: "Men who need porn to stimulate themselves sexually have deeper problems then how women should appear."... well the women must appear in the porn first to stimulate the man. Men are visual creatures when it comes to sex..so what. This is how nature created men. Should the nature of man be all changed around to accord with the will of matisse? About 95% of the men masturbate at some time in their life. Women masturbate as well, so do animals, it is natures way. The only questions is if they masturbate in excess and it ends up destroying one's peace.
Being hyped up is a byproduct of sex. One goes with the other, so no use beating yourself up over it. The nature of the beast with sex is to get excited, so this is what makes it tougher addiction than food and spending, as we can eat or spend and still be devoid of most of the excitement from these areas if we wish. But in general, we cannot participate in sexual activity without getting excited. In addition, it takes a day or two for some of us to go back to normal from sex, so this refractory period is another area to deal with whenever we get hyped up sexually. Is this refractory period bad? No, it is just how things are. The problem with addicts is they overdo things to a point of pain or even under penalty of death. (If you missed my earlier post "7 benefits addictions provide us and wish a copy write me direct.)
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/library/S ... bating.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality
You write: "The "right" direction meaning the direction of your choice (V).'...no, not my choice matisse...it is natures choice and the choice of finding inner peace by being at peace with who you are. If nature is not right..then who is? Sure, humans fight nature with their ego, but in the end nature always wins matisse.
You write: "You remind me of the dark side of self-esteem."...you are entitled to your opinions.
But what else can you say matisse?
Of course you must use 'ad hominem' attacks on me.
I damaged you sense of self...your ego got bruised.
When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building attachments to self, these attachments become veritable extensions of our being and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for others. When these attachments take on this role we become susceptible to pain via these extensions.
If the person, place or thing we are attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very being. The ancient Greek philosophers knew that when passion rules the mind, that the only job left for reason is that of the subservient task to find cleaver ways to satisfy the passions. They called it "putting passion before reason."
The three unwholesome roots of delusions, greed and hate are very basic to a a Buddhist practice matisse. Out of these three, delusion is the foundational root, for without seeing delusions for what they are, you cannot distinguish the other two unwholesome roots of greed and hate.
This 'delusion of self' can be seen in all the hate mail I get by women from this post. Some women will see only what their 'self' wants them to see and nothing more. Other women are more clear thinking in nature and can see truth without obscuring it with their own prejudices.
Delusional persons concentrate on personalties, whereas persons not of this deluded nature concentrate on truths. In your post you conveniently have skirted over the discussion I brought up and spent your time tearing me down instead.
Women, generally do not like hearing about this subject from men. Most women have a chip on their shoulder...or should I say a chip on their breast concerning men.
Women have a hubby on one breast, a kid on the other breast and the rest of the male population trying to get a piece / peace of them as well.
So, who can blame women for carrying a grudge and being overly sensitive in this area after everyone is trying to grab at them
If one does not go beyond self and all the attachments and prejudices, likes and dislikes contained within that self, then one will have an easier time getting at the true nature of things.
One time at eSangha (where I was banned) there was a discussion about the possibility of a woman finding enlightenment. A lady recounted how she asked her Buddhist teacher if a woman can ever reach enlightenment. The teacher told her no. As she was perplexed, she continued questioning the teacher until he told her that a woman cannot reach enlightenment until she transcends the concept of being woman.
If we look at the average woman what does she do in the morning?
She spends an hour putting on a mask to be something that she is not.
The rest of the day is spent looking in the mirror...and hating what she sees.
Can such a person reach enlightenment? (No)
Is makeup up all that is holding her back from enlightenment? (NO)
If makeup was the only issue, men would have it made.
But we each carry our own self with us and define our lives with who we 'think' we are via this conception of self.
Most women define self though beauty. And for men, they define life and self for the most part trough their p****.
For enlightenment and inner peace one must seek self without self.
But as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If women like to disfigure their bodies in search of beauty to be something they are not...that is there right.
I only ask of you matisse that I may enjoy and appreciate looking at naturalness in all things...including women.
You write: "Males project their idealized image of how women should look then, when they are accommodated, turn around and attack that very same image." ....I never said that at all. When did I say I like women to have their nipples and genitals pieced with metal, have their tongues and faced covered with rings and studs. Deformed breasts and lips with silicone, deformed feet with unnatural shoes...this is all up to the women to decide as choices for themselves. To me it is ugly, not beauty ... don't put words in my mouth, take reusability form you own actions matisse.
A lot of the women I see seem to be like animals caught in trap, squirming and writhing in every direction, looking, grasping outside of themselves for freedom from this trap to find a modicum of inner peace.
But the trap is an 'inner one' and all their efforts grasping outside of themselves are futile.
Always remember, passions are rooted in the self and the self is always is in flux which accounts for the rise and fall of these passions.
Whereas, truth is stable - for the truth is that which does not change.
The truth is: we are all born natural and what we do to this nature is how we recreate ourselves matisse.
Also see my earlier discussion of this 'nature' topic:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ ... opic=342.0
quote:
Originally posted by matisse
LOL... oh man.
Jesus Christ... you sound like you have some serious issues.
Actually, you sound like a paedophile: "Once in a while I see a nice, natural girl, without tons of makeup that exudes inner and outer beauty. Fresh pink skin, clean, plain and nicely groomed hair and dressed neatly. No, she is not a hot babe if one judges them by current trends, but she exhibits her 'hotness' in a way that seems to be lost nowadays...freshness and wholesomeness." Let me guess, you prefer women to be "brazilian waxed". The less a woman appears to be an adult, the better for you, correct?
Males project their idealized image of how women should look then, when they are accommodated, turn around and attack that very same image. Maybe you should deal with your complaint that women (girls, in you world) aren't fitting your image of how they should appear by changing yourself. This doesn't seem to be the proper forum to air your personal sexual fantasies. You doi realize that "girls" refers to pre-pubescent females, that girls become women when they begin menstruation, right?
quote:
Now, I seldom get a chance to talk with these wholesome beauties, so I am judging them by externals. No doubt surface appearance is not reliable, and their inner beauty may not match their outer beauty, but at least it is a start in the right direction.
The "right" direction meaning the direction of your choice.
One would think sex addicts have plenty to work on within themselves before complaining about others. Men who need porn to stimulate themselves sexually have deeper problems then how women should appear. Addiction is not being able to get enough of what you really don't want. Maybe you should look at that too.
Incidentally, since you are also an over-eater, you might think about referring to areas of the anatomy by their proper name instead of using food substitutions like "cup cakes".
You remind me of the dark side of self-esteem.
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V writes:
Thank you for your reply matisse.
Girls? I just refer to young women as girls. Hell, I call my wife 'my girl' once on awhile. If my use of that term is wrong, then please excuse me. Our high schools refer to their sport teams as girls and boys teams...but maybe we are all wrong.
I am sorry that I do not have time to reply to all the posts in this thread, as I am very busy. But will take some time to respond to this one and hopefully answer a few questions for all.
The point of my original post was to discuss how women nowadays are predisposed to recreating 'the natural into the unnatural' matisse.
I make no demands women change in any way. My only demand is that I may have freedom to live, think and to write. but this is something you wish to deny me it seems.
You write; "This doesn't seem to be the proper forum to air your personal sexual fantasies."
I tried to keep such personal sexual discussion to a minimum and focus on the subject of natural girls and the defacement to their bodies. Don't forget, the girls of today will be the women of tomorrow. We are at a 'simple living' and 'enough' forum, so I felt it a timely topic to bring up.
You write: "Oh Man...Jesus Christ... you sound like you have some serious issues." .....Because I wish for a person can be at peace with their natural state of being?
You write I "sound like a pedophile" ....Do I sound like a pedophile matisse because I appreciate natural beauty? I appreciate it in old as well as young. I find many women into their 60's and some beyond beautiful.
You write "Let me guess, you (V) prefer women to be "brazilian waxed". The less a woman appears to be an adult, the better for you, correct?" .....re-read my OP. I wrote about natural girls, although I am not adverse to a hair cut if hair is excessive. I like women to look like women. The issues you mention stem from your own personal prejudices. All problems are created in the mind. These are just such issues that bother you but do not bother me and you have to come to peace with them for yourself.
You write: "One would think sex addicts have plenty to work on within themselves before complaining about others." ... Successful transformation in recovery requires one to look within as well as to look outside of one's self. I learn form all...both as to success and failures. When I see a direction that leads to failure - I do the opposite.
You write: "Men who need porn to stimulate themselves sexually have deeper problems then how women should appear."... well the women must appear in the porn first to stimulate the man. Men are visual creatures when it comes to sex..so what. This is how nature created men. Should the nature of man be all changed around to accord with the will of matisse? About 95% of the men masturbate at some time in their life. Women masturbate as well, so do animals, it is natures way. The only questions is if they masturbate in excess and it ends up destroying one's peace.
Being hyped up is a byproduct of sex. One goes with the other, so no use beating yourself up over it. The nature of the beast with sex is to get excited, so this is what makes it tougher addiction than food and spending, as we can eat or spend and still be devoid of most of the excitement from these areas if we wish. But in general, we cannot participate in sexual activity without getting excited. In addition, it takes a day or two for some of us to go back to normal from sex, so this refractory period is another area to deal with whenever we get hyped up sexually. Is this refractory period bad? No, it is just how things are. The problem with addicts is they overdo things to a point of pain or even under penalty of death. (If you missed my earlier post "7 benefits addictions provide us and wish a copy write me direct.)
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/library/S ... bating.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexuality
You write: "The "right" direction meaning the direction of your choice (V).'...no, not my choice matisse...it is natures choice and the choice of finding inner peace by being at peace with who you are. If nature is not right..then who is? Sure, humans fight nature with their ego, but in the end nature always wins matisse.
You write: "You remind me of the dark side of self-esteem."...you are entitled to your opinions.
But what else can you say matisse?
Of course you must use 'ad hominem' attacks on me.
I damaged you sense of self...your ego got bruised.
When we invest excessive time and energies in acquiring or building attachments to self, these attachments become veritable extensions of our being and come to define us for ourselves as well as define who we are for others. When these attachments take on this role we become susceptible to pain via these extensions.
If the person, place or thing we are attached to gets rebuked it is a personal rebuke on us, if they get damaged or defaced so goes the defacement and damage to our very being. The ancient Greek philosophers knew that when passion rules the mind, that the only job left for reason is that of the subservient task to find cleaver ways to satisfy the passions. They called it "putting passion before reason."
The three unwholesome roots of delusions, greed and hate are very basic to a a Buddhist practice matisse. Out of these three, delusion is the foundational root, for without seeing delusions for what they are, you cannot distinguish the other two unwholesome roots of greed and hate.
This 'delusion of self' can be seen in all the hate mail I get by women from this post. Some women will see only what their 'self' wants them to see and nothing more. Other women are more clear thinking in nature and can see truth without obscuring it with their own prejudices.
Delusional persons concentrate on personalties, whereas persons not of this deluded nature concentrate on truths. In your post you conveniently have skirted over the discussion I brought up and spent your time tearing me down instead.
Women, generally do not like hearing about this subject from men. Most women have a chip on their shoulder...or should I say a chip on their breast concerning men.
Women have a hubby on one breast, a kid on the other breast and the rest of the male population trying to get a piece / peace of them as well.
So, who can blame women for carrying a grudge and being overly sensitive in this area after everyone is trying to grab at them
If one does not go beyond self and all the attachments and prejudices, likes and dislikes contained within that self, then one will have an easier time getting at the true nature of things.
One time at eSangha (where I was banned) there was a discussion about the possibility of a woman finding enlightenment. A lady recounted how she asked her Buddhist teacher if a woman can ever reach enlightenment. The teacher told her no. As she was perplexed, she continued questioning the teacher until he told her that a woman cannot reach enlightenment until she transcends the concept of being woman.
If we look at the average woman what does she do in the morning?
She spends an hour putting on a mask to be something that she is not.
The rest of the day is spent looking in the mirror...and hating what she sees.
Can such a person reach enlightenment? (No)
Is makeup up all that is holding her back from enlightenment? (NO)
If makeup was the only issue, men would have it made.
But we each carry our own self with us and define our lives with who we 'think' we are via this conception of self.
Most women define self though beauty. And for men, they define life and self for the most part trough their p****.
For enlightenment and inner peace one must seek self without self.
But as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If women like to disfigure their bodies in search of beauty to be something they are not...that is there right.
I only ask of you matisse that I may enjoy and appreciate looking at naturalness in all things...including women.
You write: "Males project their idealized image of how women should look then, when they are accommodated, turn around and attack that very same image." ....I never said that at all. When did I say I like women to have their nipples and genitals pieced with metal, have their tongues and faced covered with rings and studs. Deformed breasts and lips with silicone, deformed feet with unnatural shoes...this is all up to the women to decide as choices for themselves. To me it is ugly, not beauty ... don't put words in my mouth, take reusability form you own actions matisse.
A lot of the women I see seem to be like animals caught in trap, squirming and writhing in every direction, looking, grasping outside of themselves for freedom from this trap to find a modicum of inner peace.
But the trap is an 'inner one' and all their efforts grasping outside of themselves are futile.
Always remember, passions are rooted in the self and the self is always is in flux which accounts for the rise and fall of these passions.
Whereas, truth is stable - for the truth is that which does not change.
The truth is: we are all born natural and what we do to this nature is how we recreate ourselves matisse.
Also see my earlier discussion of this 'nature' topic:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ ... opic=342.0
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You see, it all started with shaving. Healthy mature humans naturally have hair on their legs, their pubis, under their arms, on their faces (males predominately) and on their heads (until we start losing it). It is unnatural to hone a piece of metal to a sharp edge and to scrape our skin in those hairy areas in a vain attempt to make them look as if they did not have hair. I believe that it is a kind of cultural denial of aging. Younger humans don't have facial, pubic, leg or underarm hair. Scraping it off is one way to attempt to look like a child.
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I was hoping some one knew the song.Lainey wrote:I know that song!
What is the point of this thread, anyway?
Laser Hair Removal was a wonderful invention. Someday, when I have da monies...
Hi Lainey, long time.
I am not sure whatthe thread is about. I think someone is venting about how women he sees or knows look.
I can imagine what he might feel like if he was a member of one of those tribes that have scars and hoops or lip hoops.
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Post #9Unjustified complaints is all I see here.
Natural bodies are intrinsically beautiful but my friend has never seen an Italian woman in an unsaved condition. If not exactly ugly then by the standards of the west then certainly unsightly. Inch long hair on arms, legs and boobs. Yuck.
I do recognize though what my friend speaks to.
Why people want to improve their chances of good selection of mates is easily understandable. Pure competition, social standards and pressures are what decides how we will adorn or defile our bodies.
It is 100% natural for us to do what we are doing. Enjoy the results instead of fighting them.
Do Mormons women shave?
You may want to check them out, they may be exactly what you need.
Regards
DL
Regards
DL
Natural bodies are intrinsically beautiful but my friend has never seen an Italian woman in an unsaved condition. If not exactly ugly then by the standards of the west then certainly unsightly. Inch long hair on arms, legs and boobs. Yuck.
I do recognize though what my friend speaks to.
Why people want to improve their chances of good selection of mates is easily understandable. Pure competition, social standards and pressures are what decides how we will adorn or defile our bodies.
It is 100% natural for us to do what we are doing. Enjoy the results instead of fighting them.
Do Mormons women shave?
You may want to check them out, they may be exactly what you need.
Regards
DL
Regards
DL
