Near Death Experiences and other related phenomena

[William]

A thread dedicated to the discussion of NDEs, OOBEs and other related evidential phenomena.

[William]

What are NDE's and related phenomena?

Some points of view include comments such as "those that 'know', should take up the cause and prove it true and benefit mankind" to questions such as "do you believe that near-death experiences are evidence of immaterial "souls" surviving death?" to advice like "leave well alone that which is a natural necessary process. We live, we must die. Acceptance is the only real peace. Even if you could communicate with those gone, what good could it do?" and "Is it pertinent to prepare for more experience upon death of the body?" and opinions such as " 'perfect bliss' seems to rely on taking away everything that is 'You' and making one an immortal, eternal ball or orgasmic gas without a 'you' even there to enjoy it. Personally I can't see that as much better as Oblivion, which is what atheism offers." and even that "there could be a number of physiological or psychological explanations. Some have theorized that oxygen depleted brains at the point of death may hallucinate. I would say that if a person believes they are speaking to unseen beings or hearing voices they should probably seek help from a healthcare professional. Demonic influence is, I believe, just ONE of several possible explanations.

[William]

SUMMARY.

Joe Joe Morris was raised in a strict religion that forbade him from experiencing a normal way of living. He was restricted to a commune and its puritanical rules. He struggled trying to reconcile a loving God with the wrathful God he was taught during his childhood - until one day. Joe Joe's neck snapped, and he was immediately ushered into Heaven. He stood before God and witnessed the Book of Life. Was he in it? Joe Joe wondered. And then what came next obliterated Joe Joe's prior understanding of God.

KEY POINTS.
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i would suffer from the worst demonic night paralysis attacks as a child the first one i remember when i was five years old happened every single night and mind you i've been
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that started a season where i would call it my mind conf my inner fight my inner dark knight of the soul that i started going into where i just started questioning everything god why do you let
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kids starve why do young mothers get beat why do young why do fathers and men lose their jobs like
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these real life questions that we like why do we pay taxes like these questions that we all want answers for i always i pay my taxes but i went into i slipped into a dark spiral
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time so i set my 20 minute timer just flopped onto my bed the moment i hit the bed and laid
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there for a split second i heard my neck crack and i couldn't move i was absolutely paralyzed and i
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start panicking moments later i see the back of my head and i see my whole body and i'm standing next
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to my bed looking at my body and it's not moving it's just frozen and at that moment my hearing
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just went berserk i started hearing supersonically i started hearing stuff it sounded like miles away and i started hyperventilating no no no no no no i can't be dead this is not true and i remembered
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that i wanted to be dead previously and i did not like how it felt to be trapped outside my body so i tried to get back in connection irrationally did not work so out of desperation
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i just went right through my wall i went right out through the bedroom felt like a light wind past me and i went out screaming for help in my community there was a woman
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hundreds of thousands of angels all standing at attention of every nationality just like marines none of them had an expression on and i'm like what is going on i looked to my
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right and i looked to my left and there was god sitting on the throne i knew it was the father because his face shone brighter than the sun the angel i could see some features his eyes glowed
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but i could see his features but god his face shown so bright i was like having to hide my face from it and he's sitting down and he's holding a coffee mug and he drinks out of it i'm like
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this is not right the creator of the universe is sitting on his rear end while the earth is
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burning and my job is super religious still like i'm still i still have my full nature
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i'm still judging god and i like there's babies dying on earth there's people that can't pay their rent like how dare you and i'm thinking this moments later
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this surround sound voice booms from every direction came from the top came from the bottom came from underneath me said let judgment begin
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deeper voice than the angel but it shook it came from the outside in it just shook me i'm like okay and three huge hologram screens popped up my life started playing from the beginning
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all the way to the end and i didn't let me ask you this question jojo so the voice that said let this
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judgment begin was that the voice of god or was that the angel speaking no it wearing that it
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sounded i clearly understood at that moment that that was god initiating judgment that was not the
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same sound of my angel it sounded different and i i'm imagining jojo that you because of what
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you came from a very legalistic environment that you were expecting at this point god to
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render a judgment of condemnation perhaps to you or is there fear all what did what was your
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feeling at the time when god was declaring judgment over you that you were in for it
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absolutely i was terrified and like people don't understand how afraid you can be when
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all of a sudden i hear these electrifying words jojo and god leaps off his throne and now he's
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facing me and he's he's a little bit taller than angel but he shoots me at this like rainbow fusion
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hug and he goes jojo this whole time you thought i was judgmental this whole time you thought i
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was angry with you but i'm here to show you who i truly am and he just started ministering to me and
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gave me this huge hug and blasted all of what was on from the bitterness the hate the feelings of
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regret the feelings of lying cheating all that stuff i had felt growing up just started watching
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it disappear he i could see all the pain from my bed wedding the huge mountains of shame that i
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carried as a teenager being the only man that was wetting his bed into his like 19 and 20 year old
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years i he i saw him heal me of all that pain and shame that i was going through i started weeping
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and realizing that god is not this judgmental god that i've known this whole time he's a god of love he's wanting to have a personal relationship with me and i'm weeping...

[Purple Knight]

and realizing that god is not this judgmental god that i've known this whole time he's a god of love he's wanting to have a personal relationship with me and i'm weeping...

This is exactly why God's existence does not matter. If God is really this ogre Joe thought he was, then Joe should rebel, seek to live the best and most moral and joyous life he can, and spread that, helping others to do so. Heaven, even if it exists, is icing. It is not the cake.

Go eat some cake.

[William]

All of a sudden i hear these electrifying words jojo and god leaps off his throne and now he's
facing me and he's he's a little bit taller than angel but he shoots me at this like rainbow fusion
hug and he goes jojo this whole time you thought i was judgmental this whole time you thought i
was angry with you but i'm here to show you who i truly am and he just started ministering to me and gave me this huge hug and blasted all of what was on from the bitterness the hate the feelings of regret the feelings of lying cheating all that stuff i had felt growing up just started watching it disappear he i could see all the pain from my bed wedding the huge mountains of shame that i carried as a teenager being the only man that was wetting his bed into his like 19 and 20 year odd years i he i saw him heal me of all that pain and shame that i was going through i started weeping and realizing that god is not this judgmental god that i've known this whole time he's a god of love he's wanting to have a personal relationship with me and i'm weeping...

This is exactly why God's existence does not matter. If God is really this ogre Joe thought he was, then Joe should rebel, seek to live the best and most moral and joyous life he can, and spread that, helping others to do so. Heaven, even if it exists, is icing. It is not the cake.

Go eat some cake.

The psychology is interesting. Often NDEs are reported which include encounters with what the experiencer "knows without doubt" that they are interacting with "God".
(These can be explored from a framework grounded in psychology - for example - Jung's Archetypes.)

However, the forms "God" takes are varied and I think have a lot to do with the individual personalities belief systems but also the variations often override those belief systems.

Joe Joes' case is typical of such encounters reported in that these always appear to be an type of enactment or stage presentation which unfolds not only according to the recipients' expectations, but almost always more - something which they "take back" with them as they rejoin the human race and subsequently report.
(I intend to introduce other NDE reports focusing on this particular aspect)

In Joe Joes' case, he had an expectation which proved to be a false/misguided/misrepresented image of "God" in which the character portraying the role acts out but then adds something unexpected which allows for Joe Joe to understand where he missed the mark (in imaging "God") and thus Joe Joe is enabled to redefine/re-think and adjust accordingly to the new knowledge gain through the experience.

[Waterfall]

[Replying to William in post #1]

Namaskaram William

How are we connected to our physical bodies What kind of questions should they (NDE) ask...

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Waterfall

[Purple Knight]

In Joe Joes' case, he had an expectation which proved to be a false/misguided/misrepresented image of "God" in which the character portraying the role acts out but then adds something unexpected which allows for Joe Joe to understand where he missed the mark (in imaging "God") and thus Joe Joe is enabled to redefine/re-think and adjust accordingly to the new knowledge gain through the experience.

I have to admit this is a reason to think there's something more to it than just the brain making it all up. If it really is just a deep psychological dive, and the brain really is making it all up (which I admit is less likely in this particular case) then it means that he knew all along that the stuff taught to him about God and morality was incorrect.

[William]

In Joe Joes' case, he had an expectation which proved to be a false/misguided/misrepresented image of "God" in which the character portraying the role acts out but then adds something unexpected which allows for Joe Joe to understand where he missed the mark (in imaging "God") and thus Joe Joe is enabled to redefine/re-think and adjust accordingly to the new knowledge gain through the experience.

I have to admit this is a reason to think there's something more to it than just the brain making it all up. If it really is just a deep psychological dive, and the brain really is making it all up (which I admit is less likely in this particular case) then it means that he knew all along that the stuff taught to him about God and morality was incorrect.

When you say someone "knows all along" are you saying "the information was always there to know, but not seen" or are you saying something else?

I think Joe Joe didn't "know" in the sense of realization (re knowing something/anything) but that the information was accessible to him because it existed already - deep within his psyche - under the fog of those things which happened in his life that effectively concealed that ability to actually know (through searching and finding) and that the specifics reported in his NDE dispersed that fog making things clearer and therefore easier to know.

[William]

Namaskaram Waterfall

How are we connected to our physical bodies?

An interesting question but one which requires more specifics...first one must answer (and all must agree) as to what "we" are/refers to (exactly).

1. Are "we" some kind of supernatural "thing" ("mind") and our bodies and experiences in the universe of "things" are "natural" in comparison?

2. Are "we" simply brain-simulations which are used solely for the purpose of the bodies desire to survive for as long as it can and eventually both the simulation and the body which created the simulation "die"?

Are "we"...something else yet to be looked into? Perhaps a hybrid of (1) and (2)?

What kind of questions should they (NDE) ask...

That too, is a question which needs specifics...

Re there experiences, they could ask things like "how come if I am immaterial, I can interact with material things?
And "If "God" can hug "me" and I can hug "God" - then why should either of "us" think of the other as being "immaterial"?

Those questions have been asked and have also been answered through the variety of reports being studied and present to "us" for examination.

See my next post for specifics....

[William]

Please enjoy my conversation with Dr. Jeffrey Long.

Timecodes:
0:00 - Episode Teaser
1:29 - Studying NDE's ❤
3:44 - What are the common elements found in Dr. Long's research?
7:25 - The concept of NDE through the years.
10:20 - "Negative NDE"
14:46 - New abilities from NDE ❤
20:50 - Universal knowledge from NDE ❤
23:29 - Cross-cultural NDEs
28:29 - Parallel lifetime review
30:59 - The concept of multiple lifetimes
33:52 - The point of no return
39:41 - Who are the beings on the other side? ❤
46:11 - The council of elders
47:27 - Studying child NDEs
53:14 - The soul blueprint
55:58 - What is a walk in soul?
1:04:09 - Biggest unanswered question about NDE ❤
1:05:05 - Living a fulfilled life
1:06:03 - Advice to young Jeffrey.
1:07:29 - Definition of God or Source. ❤
1:08:19 - What is love?
1:08:44 - Ultimate purpose of life ❤
1:09:35 - Dr. Long's work
1:10:27 - Final Message

❤ denotes information pertaining to our current questions and observations in the unfolding thread.