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Hi, I am Johnny from New Jersey (as my screen name suggests), and I'm new here, so introducing myself as was requested in the form letter I got in my mailbox upon completing registration. ;)

I am a Christian, and I enjoy discussions about religion as I like to understand what other people think and why and how they think that way. I'm most fascinated by atheists who seem to have an obsession with religion. Already, I have noticed that the most prolific posters in these forums are mostly virulent atheists who seem to have a real anger or bitterness towards Christianity in particular and religion in general.

In any case, I appreciate discussions with anyone who can have a rational point to make and who understand Philosophy enough to do so. Unlike so many today who go with the trend that Science (or, Scientific Method) is the arbiter of logic and reason, I tend to stick with Philosophy as the field of study through which logic and reason are understood properly. I am particularly interested in Epistemology and other "knowledge" seeking fields of Philosophy and how they match up to Science, as I see this as the biggest gap between truth and people's "knowledge" today (regardless of religious belief).

So, I hope to have an enjoyable time and to learn something, and I also hope to be able to help some others learn some things as well! Thanks for having me! :)

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Zzyzx wrote:.
Fisherking wrote:Welcome. It's always nice to see Christians with backbones
I look forward to encountering Fundamentalists with ability to defend bible tales and claims of "miracles".

"Backbone" might not be sufficient to demonstrate to readers that incredible tales are true and accurate.
... or it might ;)

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Fisherking wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:.
Fisherking wrote:Welcome. It's always nice to see Christians with backbones
I look forward to encountering Fundamentalists with ability to defend bible tales and claims of "miracles".

"Backbone" might not be sufficient to demonstrate to readers that incredible tales are true and accurate.
... or it might ;)
Thus far, it has not been sufficient.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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Re: My Introduction

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JohnnyJersey wrote: I am a Christian, and I enjoy discussions about religion as I like to understand what other people think and why and how they think that way. I'm most fascinated by atheists who seem to have an obsession with religion. Already, I have noticed that the most prolific posters in these forums are mostly virulent atheists who seem to have a real anger or bitterness towards Christianity in particular and religion in general.
While I welcome you here it is intersting to note that the first thing you do is come in with an ad hominem.

Virulent by definition means "actively poisonous; intensely noxious"...labling people you do not know is not conducive to confidence in your motives for being here.

And how is questioning the claims of any religion, in thsi case christinaity, evidence of 'anger or bitterness'.

If anyone is dispaying those traits it is you...

why are you angry enough at atheists to label them obnoxious or poisonous.?
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

William James quoting Dr. Hodgson

"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

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Fisherking wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
Fisherking wrote:Welcome. It's always nice to see Christians with backbones
I look forward to encountering Fundamentalists with ability to defend bible tales and claims of "miracles".

"Backbone" might not be sufficient to demonstrate to readers that incredible tales are true and accurate.
... or it might
You are invited to try to defend "miracle" claims and bible tales -- with or without "backbone".

One line comments are generally not regarded as valid attempts to debate issues.
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Fisherking

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Zzyzx wrote:.
Fisherking wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
Fisherking wrote:Welcome. It's always nice to see Christians with backbones
I look forward to encountering Fundamentalists with ability to defend bible tales and claims of "miracles".

"Backbone" might not be sufficient to demonstrate to readers that incredible tales are true and accurate.
... or it might
You are invited to try to defend "miracle" claims and bible tales -- with or without "backbone".

One line comments are generally not regarded as valid attempts to debate issues.
An opinion with one line carries as much weight as an opinion with a thousand lines in debate (very little). I can understand the thirst for wisdom, but in this thread I am simply offering a welcome to a new member.

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McCulloch wrote:
Fisherking wrote: Welcome. It's always nice to see Christians with backbones :eyebrow:
I was unaware of any invertebrate Christians. :lol:
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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McCulloch wrote:
Fisherking wrote: Welcome. It's always nice to see Christians with backbones :eyebrow:
I was unaware of any invertebrate Christians. :lol:
I'll take that as a compliment for Christians! O:)

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Fisherking wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:.
Fisherking wrote:
Zzyzx wrote:
Fisherking wrote:Welcome. It's always nice to see Christians with backbones
I look forward to encountering Fundamentalists with ability to defend bible tales and claims of "miracles".

"Backbone" might not be sufficient to demonstrate to readers that incredible tales are true and accurate.
... or it might
You are invited to try to defend "miracle" claims and bible tales -- with or without "backbone".

One line comments are generally not regarded as valid attempts to debate issues.
An opinion with one line carries as much weight as an opinion with a thousand lines in debate (very little). I can understand the thirst for wisdom, but in this thread I am simply offering a welcome to a new member.
An opinion can be sustained or unsustained. Therefore, not all opinions are equally valid in debate.

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Fisherking wrote:An opinion with one line carries as much weight as an opinion with a thousand lines in debate (very little).

YOU may think that your one-liners (prohibited by Forum Rules and Guidelines) are effective. Have you consulted anyone’s opinion other than your own?

YOU may think that reasoned discussion is of no value (or “carries as much weight� as a one-liner); however, that is simply your personal opinion (or mistake, as the case may be).

If you were so bold as to do so, you might try to actually debate issues. Readers are watching. Show them that a Christian is capable of honest and open debate with Non-Christians. Show them that incredible tales of talking donkeys and snakes, dead bodies coming back to life after days in the grave, people living inside fish, virgins giving birth after being impregnated by “spirits�, etc – ACTUALLY happen(ed) in the real world.
Fisherking wrote:I can understand the thirst for wisdom,
You can?
Fisherking wrote:but in this thread I am simply offering a welcome to a new member.
Do you actually DEBATE in any sub-forum? I have observed what appears to be an aversion to actually attempting to debate. Is that an accurate observation?

Can you cite for readers references to DEBATES in which you have participated (aside from remarks from the sidelines, one line comments, snipes, and weak attempts to sharpshoot).
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Zzyzx wrote:
Fisherking wrote:but in this thread I am simply offering a welcome to a new member.
Do you actually DEBATE in any sub-forum? I have observed what appears to be an aversion to actually attempt to debate.
In this thread, I am offering a welcome to a new member.
Zzyzx wrote:Can you cite for readers references to DEBATES in which you have participated (aside from remarks from the sidelines, one line comments, snipes, and weak attempts to sharpshoot).
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/s ... ults=posts
The readers reading written debates may find references (to read) of debates I have participated in here. If they cannot read, they are not readers and will not be able to read references to debates I have participated in, unable to read this sentence to read the references that I have provided for the readers. :blink:

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