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Bring on World War 3. . .

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achilles12604 wrote:I had an ephinany in church today. I believe I have decided for myself who's side God is on.

But I wanted to throw this out into the water and see where it goes for a bit first.


So the question for debate is this. . .


Who's side is God on? What makes you believe that this is true?
Considering the amount of suffering, poverty, crime, genocide, pestilence, disease, wars, starvation, subjugation, rapes, molestations, etc.... that currently exist globally, I really have to wonder which side He is on as well. If I had to judge it based on humanity, I would have to say that God is on the side of those who would cause harm because He sure isn't providing much protection to those who are trying to do good. But this is strictly MHO.
This made me think. Is the world REALLY this screwed up? Or is the world still decent enough to warrant living in?

If it is as described above, then would it not be better to simply start world war 3, have every launch Nukes, and if any one survives they can start over with a clean (albeit radioactive) slate?

Is this world worth keeping?
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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I'd like to hold off on the kaboom for a bit. (already clicked it)

Two years ago this winter, I moved from a 30 x 80 lot in the inner city to 5 acres in a small farming community. (Yes, we call it "Green Acres.") My kids finally have their own bedrooms, we have dogs and kitties, and we're even keeping chickens. :D Next stop, sheep!

The world may not be perfect, but right now, my little piece of it looks like a snow globe.

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No i do not want to nuke the world yet.

Yes the world is moving towards more unity, especially in Europe, Asia and Africa despite some setbacks.

No the world's problems are not due to the United_states policies, they do some good and they do some bad like everybody else. Their debacle in Iraq is due to the fact they have no understanding of the middle east and the population there. I'm lebanese lived in the middle east for 25 years, i know what goes on in iraq, getting rid of saddam was the best thing for iraqis, post war management was a disaster, syria and iran contributing to destabilizing the area for their own interests.

The world has its perks and its tragedies, it is exactly how you would expect it to be without any divine interference. just because the world is an ok place is no testimony to the presence of a god siding with good people.
Is the good of this world all that your GOD is capable of?
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Cogitoergosum wrote: Is the good of this world all that your GOD is capable of?
Hmm? Is it God's responsibility to provide us with a perfect world?

If so, How would you suggest that he accomplish this task given that Human's are constantly trying to kill each other over the stupidest little things?

One option is a totalitarian dictatorship run by God himself. Do you have any other bright ideas of how to make a perfect world despite human self-destructive behavior?
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Well so far it's 5-0 against. I guess everybody so far is probably more merciful than what God will be.

When I was a Christian, I may have been tempted to click on "Fire!". At one stage there I actually looked forward to Armageddon, because it would have meant the end of the world and I would finally be in Heaven.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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achilles12604 wrote:Is this world worth keeping?
For lack of any alternatives, I'll vote for this one.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
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OnceConvinced wrote:Well so far it's 5-0 against. I guess everybody so far is probably more merciful than what God will be.

When I was a Christian, I may have been tempted to click on "Fire!". At one stage there I actually looked forward to Armageddon, because it would have meant the end of the world and I would finally be in Heaven.
Hmm. More merciful than God?

Has he clicked fire? If not, (which is the correct answer) how do you figure we are more merciful? Wouldn't we be equally merciful since we made the same choice?
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achilles12604 wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:Well so far it's 5-0 against. I guess everybody so far is probably more merciful than what God will be.

When I was a Christian, I may have been tempted to click on "Fire!". At one stage there I actually looked forward to Armageddon, because it would have meant the end of the world and I would finally be in Heaven.
Hmm. More merciful than God?

Has he clicked fire? If not, (which is the correct answer) how do you figure we are more merciful? Wouldn't we be equally merciful since we made the same choice?
Only if you take the world wide flood, and the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah literally has he 'clicked fire'. If you take the millerites concept of the End of the World and Armageddon literally, then God is supposed to be preparing to do just that.
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goat wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:
OnceConvinced wrote:Well so far it's 5-0 against. I guess everybody so far is probably more merciful than what God will be.

When I was a Christian, I may have been tempted to click on "Fire!". At one stage there I actually looked forward to Armageddon, because it would have meant the end of the world and I would finally be in Heaven.
Hmm. More merciful than God?

Has he clicked fire? If not, (which is the correct answer) how do you figure we are more merciful? Wouldn't we be equally merciful since we made the same choice?
Only if you take the world wide flood, and the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah literally has he 'clicked fire'. If you take the millerites concept of the End of the World and Armageddon literally, then God is supposed to be preparing to do just that.
The flood yes. Sodom and Gomorrah no. Destroying them had no effect on the entire world.

As for doomsdayers, I really have no opinion. Whatever happens happens.
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achilles12604 wrote:
Cogitoergosum wrote: Is the good of this world all that your GOD is capable of?
Hmm? Is it God's responsibility to provide us with a perfect world?

If so, How would you suggest that he accomplish this task given that Human's are constantly trying to kill each other over the stupidest little things?

One option is a totalitarian dictatorship run by God himself. Do you have any other bright ideas of how to make a perfect world despite human self-destructive behavior?
I wonder if god created us where did we get that self destructive behavior from then?
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Cogitoergosum wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:
Cogitoergosum wrote:
Is the good of this world all that your GOD is capable of?


Hmm? Is it God's responsibility to provide us with a perfect world?

If so, How would you suggest that he accomplish this task given that Human's are constantly trying to kill each other over the stupidest little things?

One option is a totalitarian dictatorship run by God himself. Do you have any other bright ideas of how to make a perfect world despite human self-destructive behavior?


I wonder if god created us where did we get that self destructive behavior from then?


Wants, greed and egocentric nature.

Perhaps is innate, like gravity is for mass. Could it be a logical impossibility to create an intelligent creature who has a hierarchy of needs but who would also not use violence, extortion, and other "evils" to attain those needs quickly and easily?


I wonder if that is even possible or if a non-self destructive human society is the equvilent of a square triangle or an up down.
It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.

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