Was the Flood Literal? Osteng vs. Zzyzx One on One Debate

[Zzyzx]

Place any comments about our debate here.





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[Fallibleone]

...but I would add one very important one, the fleecing of society to pay for your tripe!

Biker

While here in Britain I can make exactly the same comment and level it at Christians. How ironic. Fancy an exchange?

Just another reason our astute forefathers left England and started another country based on better principles direct from the inerrant Scriptures!

Biker

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Don't you want your Bible taught as fact?

[Fallibleone]

I really disdain the practice of supposed "scientists" and "teachers" parroting atheist dogma and presenting it as factual when the interpretation of data supporting their position is fairly seasoned with language such as this:
It seems
We surmise
In theory
The hypothesis is
Leads us to the conclusion
Our supposition is
Therefore we presume
In our learned opinion
Looks like
The suspicion is
The result of the thesis is
In our view
Our belief is
The assumption is
We speculate that
The majority of the scientific community postulation is
Causes us to infer
Our deduction is
Might be
Could be
Should be
Can be

Conjecture is to infer or predict from incomplete or uncertain evidence, of which Zzyzx's presentation is sprinkled with.
Which in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, unless one is dishonest in that they present it as truth!
Such is the case.

Keep up the very fine presentation Osteng!

Biker

I really disdain the practice of supposed "scientists" and "teachers" parroting Christian dogma and presenting it as factual when the interpretation of data supporting their position is fairly seasoned with language such as this:

God is Love
Jesus died for our sins
In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth
Man is born sinful
Adam and Eve were our first ancestors
Adam was created from mud
Eve was created from Adam's rib
Jesus was born of a virgin
Jesus was born on Christmas Day
Jesus died and came back to life
Jesus is fully divine and fully human
Jesus walked on water
Jesus turned water into wine
If you believe in Jesus you will be saved
If you believe in Jesus you will have everlasting life
The Day of Judgement is coming

Which in and of itself most certainly is a bad thing given the absolute nature of such proclamations. Who's dishonest again?

[wrekk]

of course there was a flood. every culture, religion, etc... talk about a "great flood".

= of course there were ___________. every culture, religion, etc... talk about a ___________.

insert the following:

• bigfoot
  vampires
  witches
  dragons
  demons
  were wolfs
  unicorns
  angels
  giants
  leprechauns
  cyclops
  elves
  griffin
  hydra
  mermaids
  ogres
  pegasus
  trolls

So does that make these true as well?

[wrekk]

Just another reason our astute forefathers left England and started another country based on better principles direct from the inerrant Scriptures!

Do you realize the type of evidence you would need to have to make a VERY BOLD and ARROGANT statement like this?

Evidence please?

[wrekk]

I really disdain the practice of supposed "scientists" and "teachers" parroting atheist dogma and presenting it as factual when the interpretation of data supporting their position is fairly seasoned with language such as this:
It seems
We surmise
In theory
The hypothesis is
Leads us to the conclusion
Our supposition is
Therefore we presume
In our learned opinion
Looks like
The suspicion is
The result of the thesis is
In our view
Our belief is
The assumption is
We speculate that
The majority of the scientific community postulation is
Causes us to infer
Our deduction is
Might be
Could be
Should be
Can be

Conjecture is to infer or predict from incomplete or uncertain evidence, of which Zzyzx's presentation is sprinkled with.
Which in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, unless one is dishonest in that they present it as truth!
Such is the case.

Keep up the very fine presentation Osteng!

Biker

Ok. Comparing science to religion, kindly cite what religion has predicted or theorized based on a supernatural advisory, that has come to fruition.

In rebuttal I have listed (as follows), scientific predictions and theories, that have withstood the test of time, based on scientific process that included many of your little phrases such as "We surmise, "In theory", "The hypothesis is", etc.

- Wheel
- Writing
- Paper
- Fire
- Domestication
- Agriculture
- Plowing
- Selective Breeding
- Metallurgy/Materials Science (Copper, Bronze, Iron, Pottery, Ceramics)
- Roads
- Ships
- Printing
- Gunpowder
- Clocks
- Statistics
- Telescope
- Newton's Law of Gravity
- Newton's Laws of Motion
- Kepler's Laws
- Computers
- Telephone
- Television
- Internet
- Web Scripting Languages (i.e. PHP)
- Bulletin Boards
- Internet Forums
- Debate

The list goes on and on and on.

Now kindly reveal your list. Surely in comparison to such inferior scientific processes that produced such technologies above, I would hope to see a pretty impressive list from you, Biker. I will be waiting...

[wrekk]

How many of you have flown over the grand canyon to view the characteristics of this mighty wonder? If you have, you will see formations that raise deep questions regarding this scene to be one caused merely by a river flowing through it.

Have you so called scientists made yourself aware of how many billions of cubic feet of soil this incredible wonder has required to be eroded to form it as we see it today?

Tell me I pray. Where are the mighty deposits that have formed from this stupendous erosion? Where is the mighty delta that should have been formed by all this erosion?

It would be nice to know that someone posting in this particular thread, would take the time to actually read (in it's entirety) what he/she is actually debating about, before posting. It must be nice to just skim through something that two people spent a great amount of time researching and developing just to have someone come on here and post statements that totally undermine everything that they've done. I am confident to say that even Otseng himself would not be pleased by this.

[Biker]

My my, sure got the atheist religion faithful riled up didn't we.


Biker

[wrekk]

My my, sure got the atheist religion faithful riled up didn't we.


Biker

My my, it seems I finally managed to silent all the Christian religionists for once.

Too bad this isn't a debate forum or I'd might actually get a response ...

[Biker]

I really disdain the practice of supposed "scientists" and "teachers" parroting atheist dogma and presenting it as factual when the interpretation of data supporting their position is fairly seasoned with language such as this:
It seems
We surmise
In theory
The hypothesis is
Leads us to the conclusion
Our supposition is
Therefore we presume
In our learned opinion
Looks like
The suspicion is
The result of the thesis is
In our view
Our belief is
The assumption is
We speculate that
The majority of the scientific community postulation is
Causes us to infer
Our deduction is
Might be
Could be
Should be
Can be

Conjecture is to infer or predict from incomplete or uncertain evidence, of which Zzyzx's presentation is sprinkled with.
Which in of itself is not necessarily a bad thing, unless one is dishonest in that they present it as truth!
Such is the case.

Keep up the very fine presentation Osteng!

Biker

Ok. Comparing science to religion, kindly cite what religion has predicted or theorized based on a supernatural advisory, that has come to fruition.

In rebuttal I have listed (as follows), scientific predictions and theories, that have withstood the test of time, based on scientific process that included many of your little phrases such as "We surmise, "In theory", "The hypothesis is", etc.

- Wheel
- Writing
- Paper
- Fire
- Domestication
- Agriculture
- Plowing
- Selective Breeding
- Metallurgy/Materials Science (Copper, Bronze, Iron, Pottery, Ceramics)
- Roads
- Ships
- Printing
- Gunpowder
- Clocks
- Statistics
- Telescope
- Newton's Law of Gravity
- Newton's Laws of Motion
- Kepler's Laws
- Computers
- Telephone
- Television
- Internet
- Web Scripting Languages (i.e. PHP)
- Bulletin Boards
- Internet Forums
- Debate

The list goes on and on and on.

Now kindly reveal your list. Surely in comparison to such inferior scientific processes that produced such technologies above, I would hope to see a pretty impressive list from you, Biker. I will be waiting...

You seem to assert that atheists or heathen unbelievers have the corner on science? True science was influenced by the truth of Gods word, and believers. Modern science has been infiltrated by heathen unbelievers which is sad. Dominated by Christians science would make quantum leaps and strides because it wouldn't waste all of its time going off in wrong directions. Just like this flood debate, Osteng makes far more sense that Zzyzx.

And I'll bet that either all or most of your above list was either outright brought to fruition by a Christian or was stolen off of or copied from a Christian by a heathen unbeliever.

Now as far as the inerrant Scriptures are concerned, they affirm nothing but fact in the autographs!

In addition Christianity is not a religion, its a person, and a relationship with that person and He doesn't theorize, neither do I, don't have to when you have truth revealed in the inerrant Scriptures.

Why don't you see obvious and accept Jesus Christ as your savior before its too late!

How many fathers do you know that would give their only son for you. None.
All you and the other heathen do is run from the very one you should run to.
Accept the truth and quit running.

Biker

[Beto]

My my, sure got the atheist religion faithful riled up didn't we.


Biker

More imaginary beings, hey? I thought you were only allowed to have one.