Why is sex outside of marriage wrong?

[RUSLAN]

I'll ask a very simple question.

In Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, sex is allowed only within marriage.

Of course there are some believers who do not really agree with this, but my question is for those who do agree with it.

Can someone (Christian, Muslim, or Jew) explain why sex outside of marriage is wrong, but without citing any religious text(s)?

[mitty]

The biblical definition of marriage is simply when two people make a personal agreement to shack up together and doesn't require a legally signed marriage contract or an entry in a church or civil registry? Nor does it require a marriage celebrant or witnesses or any of the other wedding hoo-ha.

Do you have any evidence to back up this assersion?

Thanks,

JW

Only the bible. Where does the bible define what a marriage is, apart from a personal agreement between two people to shack up together?

[JehovahsWitness]

The biblical definition of marriage is simply when two people make a personal agreement to shack up together* [...] Nor does it require a marriage celebrant or witnesses .

Do you have any evidence to back up this assersion?

Thanks,

JW

Only the bible.

Where in the bible? Please provide references for YOUR assesion* You assert to have provided a biblical definition of marriage I am requesting biblical references for this "biblical definition".

JW

[mitty]

The biblical definition of marriage is simply when two people make a personal agreement to shack up together* [...] Nor does it require a marriage celebrant or witnesses .

Do you have any evidence to back up this assersion?

Thanks,

JW

Only the bible.

Where in the bible? Please provide references for YOUR assesion* You assert to have provided a biblical definition of marriage I am requesting biblical references for this "biblical definition".

JW

As far as I know there is no definition of marriage in the bible requiring a legally signed marriage contract and/or a marriage celebrant etc etc. If you believe otherwise, then what is the biblical reference clearly defining the requirements for a biblical marriage?

[JehovahsWitness]

As far as I know there is no definition of marriage in the bible requiring a legally signed marriage contract and/or a marriage celebrant etc etc.

Okay, but you claimed you were presenting a biblical definition of, not only of what it didn't included but what it DID ie two individual, a personal agreement (without witnessses). Since you thus made an affirmative statement, and claimed you were presenting a (quote) "biblical definition" (end quote) where in the bible did you get the definition you presented?

What are the references for the above definition? Feel free if you would like to re-name it "an assumption on my part" rather than a biblical definition.


JW

[mitty]

As far as I know there is no definition of marriage in the bible requiring a legally signed marriage contract and/or a marriage celebrant etc etc.

Okay, but you claimed you were presenting a biblical definition of marriage and wrote not a negative but a positive statement of what the biblical definition of marriage IS. You made an affirmative statement, where in the bible did you get the definition you presented?

You claimed: "The biblical definition of marriage is simply when two people make a personal agreement to shack up together" what is the reference for the above definition?


JW

I'm not interested in playing your silly game. If you can come up with a better biblical definition of marriage then let us all know.

[JehovahsWitness]

You claimed: "The biblical definition of marriage is "when two people make a personal agreement to shack up together" what is the reference for the above definition?

I'm not interested in playing your silly game.

No offense intended, but my understanding of a debate forum is that if something is affirmed it is a completely reasonable response to request evidence/references to back up that claim. I don't believe requesting references for a definition to be unreasonable or "silly" given the context of the discussion.

Regards,

JW

[mitty]

You claimed: "The biblical definition of marriage is "when two people make a personal agreement to shack up together" what is the reference for the above definition?

I'm not interested in playing your silly game.

No offense intended, but my understanding of a debate forum is that if something is affirmed it is a completely reasonable response to request evidence/references to back up that claim. I don't believe requesting references for a definition to be unreasonable or "silly" given the context of the discussion.

Regards,

JW

OK, but my point is that the bible has to define what marriage is before you can say there is such a thing as premarital sex which is not categorized as adultery or prostitution/fornication.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 67 by mitty]

I agree. But you are the one that says that such a biblical definition exists (and even went so far as to provide said definition. I simply asked for where you found that or upon what you based your information.

I think it's fair to say that marriage did exist in bible times, and that there must have been SOMEthing that marked the beginning of said marriage. More than that I cannot say, but it seems "biblically" (ie based on the content of scripture) neither can you.

[mitty]

[Replying to post 67 by mitty]

I agree. But you are the one that says that such a biblical definition exists (and even went so far as to provide said definition. I simply asked for where you found that or upon what you based your information.

I think it's fair to say that marriage did exist in bible times, and that there must have been SOMEthing that marked the beginning of said marriage. More than that I cannot say, but it seems "biblically" (ie based on the content of scripture) neither can you.

Exactly, and the best definition of a biblical marriage was simply a personal agreement between two people to shack up together and is different to the 21st century definition of marriage or the church definition of marriage or other social marriage/wedding customs. And unless the requirements for marriage are clearly defined in the bible then pre-marital sex as we know it today was a nonsense, apart from adultery and fornication.

[JehovahsWitness]

the best definition of a biblical marriage was simply a personal agreement between two people to shack up together.

Well, let's say you wisely have modified your point from claiming that you were giving a "biblical definition" to now saying its the "the best defintion" (best in your OPINON of course)

I don't agree it's the best defintion at all but at least you won't have painted yourself into a corner by claiming your "best defintion" is a "bibiblical definition" and that's the only point I was making.

Have a good one,

JW