Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:58 am
Hi revjoel2013,
Since Jesus defines adultery as looking at another person lustfully as a sin then it seems fairly simply to understand that sex before marriage would be a sin.
No. Adultery means dealing with at another's spouse. He's referring to looking at another man's wife with lustful eyes as being adultery. You can look at a single woman with lustful eyes and sex technically is the marriage.
Adultery means different things for man and woman. As back then even polygamy was a righteous custom kept in Israel. So adultery didn't mean a man sleeping with another woman outside of his wife. As to say a man should only have one woman.
Yes prostitution is adultery. But a man having multiple wives is not.
Adultery meant a man takes his neighbors wife. Its a very disrespectful and divisive thing to try to do to another man.
Like what king David did with Bathsheba. That was adultery though king David had multiple wives at the time AND concubines (which pertaining to the Israelites kingdom? pretty much meant low end wives of the other nations outside of Israel, who were there mainly to serve the Hebrew wives and serve the husband sexually. As he could deal with his concubine how ever he pleased.)
David had this. He has atleast 12 Hebrew wives and an unspecified number of concubines (women servants of the the other nations/lower end wives)
David was not in the midst of sin for this. As God blessed David to have this.
As it is written
2 Samuel 12:1-9 (KJV) "And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him:
"There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor. The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds: But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter."
(He's referring to Uriah the Hittite and his wife Bathsheba "the poor" and King David the "rich man".)
"And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him."
(David taking Bathsheba "adultery")
"And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:"
And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
And Nathan said to David, you are the man.....
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's WIVES (plural) into thy bosom (heart), and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
(God said he gave David King sauls WIVES. meaning they were now called by his name and they belonged to him. Meaning intimacy when he wanted among many other things. God said if that wasn't enough he would've given him more. (Referring to the women because God's saying you could have all the women you need why take this man's wife? That's all he has and loved. But this proves that God is not against polygamy (yes I'm aware of the new testament and the husband of one wife statement)
that's a long story. At that time Israel was under governmental rule of the Romans who made it a law of mongamous marriages only. That tradition of one wife started with the greco-roman empire. And Israel were under curses from God and he commanded that they honor the laws of the land they dwell in whoever their overseers are.
In God's kingdom though polygamy will be back as a righteous custom.
Isaiah 4:1 (KJV) "And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
Isaiah 4:2 (KJV) "In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel."
Pretty much during armageddon women will be throwing themselves at Israelites in bunches because they have shame they don't have a husband. Even declaring they'll take care of themselves just give me your name (and giving a woman your name means you then own her meaning intimacy is a righteous practice between the 2 as the marriage bed is undefiled)
"Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken "his wife" to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon."
So the sin of David wasn't him having multiple wives and concubines. David's sin was taking another man's wife. Which is adultery. When he had his own. A man can have 10 wives his own. But if he sleeps with a woman who bares the name of another man? He has committed adultery/fornication.
Fornication means unlawful sexual practices according to God's word.
Like homosexuality, lesbianism, beastiality, multiple partners at once which creates same sex interaction. Prostitution, cheating (taking another man's woman or the woman sleeping with another man whose name she isn't called by/adultery) these are fornication.
Adultery does not mean the same for man and woman.
For a man he is an adulterer when he steals another man's wife (lays with her)
For the woman adultery for her is she sleeps with another man whose name she isn't called by. Even if she's sharing a husband with 6 other wives. They 6 can only sleep with that one husband intimately. (One at a time ofcourse cuz orgies is fornication and unlawful) it had to be strictly one on one. And the husband was commanded to give his wife's their rightful access to their husband meaning he had to give it up when one of them wanted it. And make time to please them all.)
But if one of the wives gets tempted and decides she wants some new fresh "meat".... Well. She has now committed adultery and the man she slept with is commiting adultery also.
But when Christ says if you look at a woman lustfully you have committed adultery in your heart. He was referring to looking at another man's wife. A single woman you may look until your hearts content. Go make see if you can make her your wife and knock the lining out of her you know what until for the rest of your days lol marriage bed undefiled.
Now he warns against just desiring a woman for pleasure because it is wise for your sake to judge her heart first and see if she has what it takes to be the wife of a Godly man and perform her duties and help nurture your family.
But if she has those qualities? Then you can feel free to desire her every day as it is written:
Proverbs 5:18-19 (KJV) "Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love."
So yeah I'm starring Lazer eyes through every inch of single woman's body lol lol
men are conquerors.... We are supposed to see, like and go and get. You create your own world. Everyone else is just living in it is the mentality.
You tell her what time it is what you're about and take it or leave it. You believe in polygamy but won't practice it because it's constitutionally unlawful in the country. But if you're going to be wife, then you need to understand this this and that going forward. Hold them accountable that way in the future they can't put a smut on your name because you were this way from the beginning no secrets. And you've told her if she don't like it? She don't have to deal with you. But as long as she is? That's spiritual consent and agreement with your ways so therefore you have no shame going forward. (Because you know how women can get...... Indecisive, unnecessary attitudes, lazyness and think men are their personal slaves. Nope. A godly man knows how to whip a good woman into shape.
He gives her what she has deserved and respects and loves her yes. But holds her accountable against her word. And vice versa. She has the right to constructively criticze you when you may be going off the path (we're humans) that's why communication is key and say what you mean and mean what you say. The relationship will survive if that's a normal practice among the 2.
God wants the man to run the house. He says don't even think about trying to lead a church if you can't even get your own house in order.
God
Christ
Church
Man
Woman
Children
That's the order. No "equals". Yes there's fairness and respect but there is no "equals".
Women of today have the government to protect them though so it's hard to lead a Godly style marriage today because women feel they don't have to listen and follow their husbands. They essentially act like the husband. And make the man serve them when it's supposed to be the other way around.
Men today give women way too much praise and credit just to "get some". And it's like no... Trust me the best feeling in the world is when you live your truth as a man and a woman submits to it and gives you genuine intimacy as a result of her respect and love for you as her "lord".
That's a wife ....That's a blessing from God as it is written.
Who keeps her house clean, and in order, nurtures her family, gives affection and intimacy freely to her husband as he pleases (within reason) with little to no excuses or at the least few and far in between, or not a "habbit of".
I kind of got off track a little bit.
But the point was adultery in your heart was referring to desiring another man's wife.
Because it's gonna be like this if you're with me. Many will pass but many will consider. The ones who consider are they you go for.
But I'm conclusion Christ was referring to lustfully checking out another man's wife and you know it's his wife. You're plotting on her and trying to swoon her and being disrespectful to her husband your neighbor