Christian marriage is man and woman/husband and wife.

[99percentatheism]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

[kayky]

Gay people are fully welcomed and accepted in most of the mainline churches. Gay Christians do have a place to go.

[99percentatheism]

Gay people are fully welcomed and accepted in most of the mainline churches. Gay Christians do have a place to go.

Not without schism, strife and contention and opposition. I am from one of the "mainline Churches." And it is the standard and typical "liberal" veins that do this. It appears no different than Universalism in its scope. It's just that the liberal activists refuse to do what is right and leave to form their own unique organizations. This was predicted to happen.

Can you show from New Testament scripture that not only marriage, as Jesus described and defined it, as well as "Christian marriage" as described and defined everywhere it is referenced and described, is of anything BUT immutably man and woman/husband and wife?

Denominations practicing non-biblical actions antithetical to orthodoxy, has no bearing on Christian truth. Heresy and heretics have plagued the Church since just about the very first mention of an orgainzed body of fellowship of believers. Jude and Peter define these kinds of people to perfection. That seems the very reason why the New Testament writings were undertaken: To combat false teachings and false teachers from infecting The Church.

Any reasonable person should utterly support those Christians that view the immutabllity of "Christian marriage" as man and woman/husband and wife and not claim there is bigotry, hate or any other 21st century propagandist connotation to believing as Jesus and His followers did about what a marriage consists of and who. Man and woman as husband and wife.

This is not a complicated thread.

[tokutter]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?[/quote]


Why.....because you a little boy crying wolf ....in a sea of little boys crying wolf....you christians don't ADHERE to any of the stuff you preach.

What about DIVORCE....ADULTERY...both pretty bad things as far as marriage is concerned.....whats the christian ADHERANCE percentages on these things.

Your left banging the only drum you have left.......trying to margilize a minority......thats right show the lord how serious you are about the rules....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH.

99.....I think you and the christian community need to start right...the process...of reinterpretation......

OK. Awesome. You are one of those kinds of people that know exactly what a Christian should be like. Excellent.

Let's start with marriage since that is what this thread is about. We can address the bash aspects of your views somewhere else.

Marriage in the New Testament "for Christians," is man and woman/husband and wife.

So I see that you are completely supporting that view in your demands that Christians behave as Christians should. And that, of course, would put any support for some alternate configuration of marriage as honestly outside the scope of Christian truth.

Excellent demand pal.

And of course met.

Thank you.

Oh and also, anyone or any organization that would label hate, or bigotry or some kind of irrationality to marriage as immutably man and woman . . . for Christians would be in the wrong in this case. And more than likely guilty of a hate crime against Christians for suing them, boycotting their businesses etc., etc..

I can't thank you enough for your total support of Christian marriage as only man and woman. Please, also, be there for us as we get continually attacked for living (like you present) as Christians should.

That would make those that want to attack us for our "Christian consistency" as the bad guys.

Whew!

Meet my demand.....hmmmmmmm...let's look at your words again.....

"Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching"

What's the biblical teaching on divorce and adultery....(divorce rate in this christian country over 50% usa,I'm assuming you live here)...aaaaaaaah we don't worry about those teachins anymore....nobody will comply....maybe you all will dust them off someday.....wink wink nudge nudge....BUT THIS HERE SAME SEX MARRIAGE BLASPHEMY..THAT HAS TO BE STOPPED {insert laugh track}

your words...."So I see that you are completely supporting that view in your demands that Christians behave as Christians should".....yeah on what they want to..see above

From my perspective: from what I've read of yours in this thread and others
The people in the "cliche" in your club get this>> sin>forgiveness sin>forgiveness sin>forgiveness sin>forgiveness sin>forgiveness sin>forgiveness sin>forgiveness sin>forgiveness.................yippeeeee
The homosexuals get this>>sin..HAMMER>sweep sweep sweep sweep>trash can>hellfire

99 The fact that you want a law, based on a teaching in your theology, enforced out here in the real world, all the while in your theology you pick and choose from the teachings menu what works for you.....is hysterical..{insert laugh track}

Also,.....your words "You are one of those kinds of people that know exactly what a Christian should be like".......How in the world would i ever know what a christian should be like....I've conversed with many "christians"...family,friends,forums...Everytime I get something different. It's nice to know YOU have it all figured out.

Meet my demand....meh don't think so ....nice head fake tho........Keep crying wolf..........oh..........and get started on those reinterpretations...your gonna need em

[Ooberman]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

Christians can believe whatever they want. It's when they try to force it on the rest of us they get in trouble.

They don't have a monopoly on beliefs in god, or marriage, or anything else.

[kayky]

Not without schism, strife and contention and opposition.

This is ancient history. The people of my church are very happy--there is no strife,
contention, or opposition.

I am from one of the "mainline Churches."

Why do I find this hard to believe?

And it is the standard and typical "liberal" veins that do this. It appears no different than Universalism in its scope. It's just that the liberal activists refuse to do what is right and leave to form their own unique organizations. This was predicted to happen.

No one was asked to leave. The progressives are the Episcopalian church.

Can you show from New Testament scripture that not only marriage, as Jesus described and defined it, as well as "Christian marriage" as described and defined everywhere it is referenced and described, is of anything BUT immutably man and woman/husband and wife?

I find such a request silly and meaningless.

Denominations practicing non-biblical actions antithetical to orthodoxy, has no bearing on Christian truth.

And your idea of "Christian truth" has no bearing on us.

Heresy and heretics have plagued the Church since just about the very first mention of an orgainzed body of fellowship of believers.

The age of oppressing "heretics" is over. The Church hierarchy has lost its stranglehold.

Jude and Peter define these kinds of people to perfection. That seems the very reason why the New Testament writings were undertaken: To combat false teachings and false teachers from infecting The Church.

One man's heretic is another man's reformer.

Any reasonable person should utterly support those Christians that view the immutabllity of "Christian marriage" as man and woman/husband and wife and not claim there is bigotry, hate or any other 21st century propagandist connotation to believing as Jesus and His followers did about what a marriage consists of and who. Man and woman as husband and wife.

The problem is that we Episcopalians don't like to lie.

This is not a complicated thread.

I find it quite uncomplicated as well.

[99percentatheism]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

Christians can believe whatever they want. It's when they try to force it on the rest of us they get in trouble.

They don't have a monopoly on beliefs in god, or marriage, or anything else.

It's strange that you use that line of reasoning, because it is demanded that those that champion the licentiousness inherent in the redefinition of marriage, claim the absolutist pronouncement in their position for doing so. Indeed they are forcing it on everyone by secular law.

I would have to say though, that absolutely, a "monopoly on beliefs in God," is unmovebale in the message of the Gospels. Straight from the mouth of Jesus.

I wonder why Christians take any time to trouble themselves with the kinds of people that reject the Gospels. The very people Jesus and the Disciples and Apostles warned us about:

"If people do not welcome you, leave their town and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.�

Gospel of Luke

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

1 John

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.

[Ooberman]

There is no secular or theological challenge to be made that a "Christian marriage" isn't immutably a man and woman/husband and wife. Therefore, it should be a criminal act under current hate crimes laws, to accuse a Christian of hate, bigotry, or irrational . . ., if they assert the immutability of the structure of marriage as man and woman/husband and wife.

As Jesus proclaimed it in the Gospels and the writings reaffirm and define it so.

Why would anyone, religious or secularist, NOT support and affirm Christians adhering to the consistent and immutable Biblical teaching that a marriage is a man/husband and woman/wife?

Christians can believe whatever they want. It's when they try to force it on the rest of us they get in trouble.

They don't have a monopoly on beliefs in god, or marriage, or anything else.

It's strange that you use that line of reasoning, because it is demanded that those that champion the licentiousness inherent in the redefinition of marriage, claim the absolutist pronouncement in their position for doing so. Indeed they are forcing it on everyone by secular law.

Right. Secular law - not religious law.

We have a general understanding that religious laws suck for human society except for the few people who believe in using religious texts for their basis of law.

I would have to say though, that absolutely, a "monopoly on beliefs in God," is unmovebale in the message of the Gospels. Straight from the mouth of Jesus.

Well, straight from an anonymous author who claimed to speak for Jesus/God.

Regardless, the source isn't important.

It's not as if Jesus had any special claim on the truth, either.

Or are you one of those people who think he did? Don't answer... I think I know...

[scourge99]

FEAR NOT Dianaiad....your leader/leaders will get a little ringy ding dingy in the middle of the night from the big guy/guys and you'll change to meet the times.....happened before.......yes....no.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Unlikely. Such "revelations from god" cause devastating schisms in the church. A "revelation" will only occur when the consequences of maintaining homophobic doctrines outweigh the consequences of disenfranchising conservative members. So it will take another 60 or so years until the conservatives like dianaiad literally die off and the younger generations succeed them.

[kayky]

[Replying to post 56 by 99percentatheism]

I wonder why Christians take any time to trouble themselves with the kinds of people that reject the Gospels. The very people Jesus and the Disciples and Apostles warned us about:

You do understand that the first Gospel wasn't written until @ 70CE, long after Jesus and the Apostles were dead, right? They could not have made the warnings you speak of.

[Allahakbar]

99 does your sect reject outright the OT?