The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[KCKID]

....Oh, and talking about history:

Mattachine Society

The Homosexual Revolt

The May 1959 issue of the Mattachine Review, an American homophile magazine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattachine_Society

Just an observation; I went to that link and saw nothing objectionable. The "homosexual revolt" referred to on the magazine cover doubtless referred to the revolt against homophobic hatred and bigotry. I don't see what you found there that was anything to be outraged about.

Me neither. The proverb 'a drowning man will clutch at a straw' springs to mind whenever I read 99percentatheism's posts. Few of them, in fact, have any relevance to the topic at all.

Then just produce any scripture that is clearly and UNambiguously pro homosexuality.

I don't need to produce scriptures to tell me that homosexuals actually exist in this world, 99percent, and that they are as special/equal as heterosexuals.

You'll have to write your own bible.

I 'won't' have to do any such thing. I don't live my life based on the writings of a book.

[KCKID]

....Oh, and talking about history:

Mattachine Society

The Homosexual Revolt

The May 1959 issue of the Mattachine Review, an American homophile magazine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattachine_Society

Just an observation; I went to that link and saw nothing objectionable. The "homosexual revolt" referred to on the magazine cover doubtless referred to the revolt against homophobic hatred and bigotry. I don't see what you found there that was anything to be outraged about.

Harry Hay is the poster "person" for licentiousness and infidelity when contrasted to the message of sexual morality in the New Testament testimony. Just find one of his interviews about indiscrimate "sex in the bushes." And I must believe that even you (through observation) see that infidelity and immorality still are denounced in Christian truth. And like the NT witness testifies to, there is also no such thing as same gender marriage promoted either. That exists as an other-worldy belief from the clear picture of Christian reality as detailed in the New Testament. "Sola Scriptura" wise.

Nothing to be outraged about(?), until his movement and goals find their way into the Christian Church.

Obviously this kind of person (these kinds of people) was already at work in the early Church and have always been something to be concerned about:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. - Jude 1

Bolded: This is referencing pagan worship practices. It has nothing to do with non-religious sexuality whether heterosexual or homosexual. If one wishes to apply this text to today it is perhaps more addressing the worship practices such as is performed within many of the mega-churches of today ...i.e. jabbering in tongues, slaying in the spirit, holy laughter, howling like a wolf, cackling like a chicken, etc. etc.

[99percentatheism]

Harry Hay is the poster "person" for licentiousness and infidelity when contrasted to the message of sexual morality in the New Testament testimony. Just find one of his interviews about indiscrimate "sex in the bushes."

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http://foundsf.org/index.php?title=Matt ... y_Movement

Scroll down the page to the video clip:

Gay Sex Before Zippers: The Presidio Guardhouse

[99percentatheism]

From Post 1682:

Nothing drives a pitiless population like gratifying lusts.

Or sanctimonious pride.

Yes, yes. The ubiquitous Gay Pride Parade.

[99percentatheism]

....Oh, and talking about history:

Mattachine Society

The Homosexual Revolt

The May 1959 issue of the Mattachine Review, an American homophile magazine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattachine_Society

Just an observation; I went to that link and saw nothing objectionable. The "homosexual revolt" referred to on the magazine cover doubtless referred to the revolt against homophobic hatred and bigotry. I don't see what you found there that was anything to be outraged about.

Me neither. The proverb 'a drowning man will clutch at a straw' springs to mind whenever I read 99percentatheism's posts. Few of them, in fact, have any relevance to the topic at all.

Then just produce any scripture that is clearly and UNambiguously pro homosexuality.

I don't need to produce scriptures to tell me that homosexuals actually exist in this world, 99percent, and that they are as special/equal as heterosexuals.

You'll have to write your own bible.

I 'won't' have to do any such thing. I don't live my life based on the writings of a book.

In your own private organizations. Have at it.

I wil tolerate that diversity and make sure others do too.

[99percentatheism]

....Oh, and talking about history:

Mattachine Society

The Homosexual Revolt

The May 1959 issue of the Mattachine Review, an American homophile magazine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattachine_Society

Just an observation; I went to that link and saw nothing objectionable. The "homosexual revolt" referred to on the magazine cover doubtless referred to the revolt against homophobic hatred and bigotry. I don't see what you found there that was anything to be outraged about.

Harry Hay is the poster "person" for licentiousness and infidelity when contrasted to the message of sexual morality in the New Testament testimony. Just find one of his interviews about indiscrimate "sex in the bushes." And I must believe that even you (through observation) see that infidelity and immorality still are denounced in Christian truth. And like the NT witness testifies to, there is also no such thing as same gender marriage promoted either. That exists as an other-worldy belief from the clear picture of Christian reality as detailed in the New Testament. "Sola Scriptura" wise.

Nothing to be outraged about(?), until his movement and goals find their way into the Christian Church.

Obviously this kind of person (these kinds of people) was already at work in the early Church and have always been something to be concerned about:

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

- Jude 1

Again, just an observation: I didn't see any reference to religion at that link at all. None.

I am, obviously, very familiar with how you see things. The reference was to gay culture being plied in places calling themselves Churches. And some of those so-called Churches attempt to base their justification on some biblical bases. The mattachine Society movement cannot be understanted as to how gay culture is engaged in by its adherants and proponents.

[99percentatheism]

Just in case the OP needs referencing:

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

Do any liberal theologians have a problem with doing their thing in their own enclaves? How can it be justified to force the celebration of gay behavior on Bible-believing Christians?

[KCKID]

Just in case the OP needs referencing:

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

Do any liberal theologians have a problem with doing their thing in their own enclaves? How can it be justified to force the celebration of gay behavior on Bible-believing Christians?

As far as I know it's only individuals such as yourself, 99percent, who are attempting to 'force' their sanctimonious brand of religion on to others. Besides, any gay person would have to be a fool to attend a church - even covertly - if they knew that 'their kind' were not welcomed in that church. And, to set the record straight, there ARE any number of Bible-believing Christians who DO welcome gays as well as straights 'as is' into their churches. What do you have to say about that, Mr. 99percent?

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years. The majority of them don't seem to have a problem with one's sexual orientation. To them it's a none issue. Your days are surely numbered so do all of your pontifying while you can since less and less people are listening. I'll wager that you'll even use that piece of information with which to sanctimoniously refer to yourself as a persecuted messenger of God living in the last days of earth's history. Just bear in mind that, according to Jesus Christ, the humble (meek) and not the arrogant will inherit the earth, 99percent.

[99percentatheism]

[quoteKCKID[/quote]

Just in case the OP needs referencing:

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

Do any liberal theologians have a problem with doing their thing in their own enclaves? How can it be justified to force the celebration of gay behavior on Bible-believing Christians?

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As far as I know it's only individuals such as yourself, 99percent, who are attempting to 'force' their sanctimonious brand of religion on to others.

Yet I wrote the OP. An individual such as myself. A member of a Church of over a billion like-minded individuals "universal." You don't remember?

Besides, any gay person would have to be a fool to attend a church - even covertly - if they knew that 'their kind' were not welcomed in that church. And, to set the record straight, there ARE any number of Bible-believing Christians who DO welcome gays as well as straights 'as is' into their churches. What do you have to say about that, Mr. 99percent?

Jesus and his teaching about wolves in sheeps clothing. Jude refers to them as well. Detailed in fact.

And here they are once again.

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

The majority of them don't seem to have a problem with one's sexual orientation. To them it's a none issue.

From your perwpective you can only have that opinion.

Your days are surely numbered so do all of your pontifying while you can since less and less people are listening.

47,000 plus views? And I have been asked to speak to people about this from California to Indiana and beyond. The Church is perpared for "the great falling away. " And it is accurate to how and why and what that will look like. As Jesus and his folowers predicted.

I'll wager that you'll even use that piece of information with which to sanctimoniously refer to yourself as a persecuted messenger of God living in the last days of earth's history.

Reality is what predictions and assertions are based on. You employ the playbook effortlessly.

Just bear in mind that, according to Jesus Christ, the humble (meek) and not the arrogant will inherit the earth, 99percent.

Sp much for "Gay Pride" huh.

Or as pride is called in the Bible "haughtiness."

And even you have offered the definition of a Sodomite.

Thanks KID for the validation of "a book" you seem quite dedicated - in your own writings here - to not value.

This day was predicted. But Abraham's math will keep us safe for quite some time KID.

[Clownboat]

Your brand of Christianity will die out as soon as the youth of today gain a few more years.

I have experience that this is a pipe dream of only a segment of society. But is that haughtiness I see in your words?

I'm with KCKID on this one.
Where did the pro slavery people go?
Where did the people against mixed marriages go?

Now is the time for the anti gays to start disappearing into history. You will claim that as confirmation that your fight is just and that the persecution has been foretold.

Just like the pro slavery and mixed marriage people did I'm sure. Why do I feel sure? Because my church told us that if we are not being persecuted, we are not being good Christians. So many churches seem to preach that persecution is to be expected. Well duh, teach hatefulness and you can expect persecution, but they will see that persecution as evidence of doing a gods work.