Why is homosexuality wrong?

[Greatest I Am]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God’s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1347 by DefenderofTruth]

Colossians 3:22New International Version (NIV)

22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.


On the subject of slaves he says to obey their masters not once does he say slavery should be abolished. He said very little on slavery but when he spoke of it he did not speak against it.

[DefenderofTruth]

[Replying to post 1347 by DefenderofTruth]

Colossians 3:22New International Version (NIV)

22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.


On the subject of slaves he says to obey their masters not once does he say slavery should be abolished. He said very little on slavery but when he spoke of it he did not speak against it.

You sure thats Jesus speaking there buddy? You haven't read the Bible have you? You don't think you need to do a little more research??

And FYI, Jesus did talk on slavery, but that quote isn't Jesus. Do you have a quote from Jesus like you said? I'd surely like to see it....

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1349 by DefenderofTruth]

Well you got me there it's late I should be going to bed I meant to post this.

Matthew 10:24-25.

24"A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 25"It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master

In the parable he contrasts how his discples shoud strive , like a slave and master.


There are other New Testament references as well. I am sure you can find them. I certainly can't find comments against slavery though.

[DefenderofTruth]

[Replying to post 1349 by DefenderofTruth]

Well you got me there it's late I should be going to bed I meant to post this.

Matthew 10:24-25.

24"A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. 25"It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master

In the parable he contrasts how his discples shoud strive , like a slave and master.

There are other New Testament references as well. I am sure you can find them. I certainly can't find comments against slavery though.

Oh ya its late is it? Must be, huh?

So tell me what do you think that verse is saying? Have you read Matthew?

The entire quote is actually this,

24 “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!

You know what Christ is talking about here??

...Christ did actually talk about slavery, and not just a parable, not figurative talk (like he is here), But He talked about those who wish to "rule over" people. He spoke on this very topic, but you didn't give the quote in which he spoke of. Have you read the Bible?

You gave us a figurative quote in which Christ is referring to his followers, not actual literal slaves...

You want me to give you my quote in which Jesus specifically addressed people who wish to rule over people?


Its in Matthew 20.

25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.�

This is what Christ literally had to say on the subject... Christ is the authority of Christianity, and he came to serve. Christ washed the feet of His followers.

So please stop pushing this nonsense view which Christ condones slavery. I literally see this all the time and it is not helping your arguments against Christianity, in contrast it is showing your ignorance on the subject.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1351 by DefenderofTruth]

We probably should create a seperate topic on this issue. I specifically said it was a parable.

You want me to give you my quote in which Jesus specifically addressed people who wish to rule over people?


Its in Matthew 20.

25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.�

This is what Christ literally had to say on the subject... Christ is the authority of Christianity, and he came to serve. Christ washed the feet of His followers.

Again he is comparing slavery in a positive not a negative light. Saying you should be like a slave. You should be like a servant. He specifically points out those we authority and then says no you shouldn't have authority you should be like slaves.

The extended quote doesn't change what I wrote either. The quote establishes the fact that he was aware of roman slavery. He uses it in an analogy. Instead of speaking out against slavery he tells his disciples to emulate being a slave and uses it to make a point. He doesn't take a moment to say. Hey, slavery is bad.

How can you take a stand and say homosexuality is a sin and condemn slavery at the same time? Where does the bible condemn slavery? Where does it say eating shellfish is not a sin?

[DefenderofTruth]

[Replying to post 1351 by DefenderofTruth]

We probably should create a seperate topic on this issue. I specifically said it was a parable.

You want me to give you my quote in which Jesus specifically addressed people who wish to rule over people?


Its in Matthew 20.

25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.�

This is what Christ literally had to say on the subject... Christ is the authority of Christianity, and he came to serve. Christ washed the feet of His followers.

Again he is comparing slavery in a positive not a negative light. Saying you should be like a slave. You should be like a servant. He specifically points out those we authority and then says no you shouldn't have authority you should be like slaves.

The extended quote doesn't change what I wrote either. The quote establishes the fact that he was aware of roman slavery. He uses it in an analogy. Instead of speaking out against slavery he tells his disciples to emulate being a slave and uses it to make a point. He doesn't take a moment to say. Hey, slavery is bad.

How can you take a stand and say homosexuality is a sin and condemn slavery at the same time? Where does the bible condemn slavery? Where does it say eating shellfish is not a sin?

So what you are saying is that no one can mention slavery in a figurative way without supporting the literal idea of slavery?

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heres just one quote I found.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.�
― Henry David Thoreau

Do you think Henry David Thoreau condoned slavery because of it?
He doesn't... In fact Mr. Thoreau has "Delivered Anti-Slavery Celebrations�

http://thoreau.eserver.org/slavery.html (evidence)



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Christ clearly told us that those who are our leaders should be our servants.

I am amazed that you can just ignore that teaching. In fact you don't only ignore it but you say that it is further evidence that Christ supported slavery even more! Because he said that our leaders should be our servants.. Wow

Where do you get the nerve to even continue to support that idea? Christ, the authority of Christianity, the leader of christianity, the master of Christianity, came to serve those who follow him...

What you are tying to push is nonsense, and you can't see that, it amazes me, how irrationally you can argue anti-christian propaganda and not even consider to understand what Christianity truly teaches...

I don't care to debate anything more with you...

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1353 by DefenderofTruth]

condone does not mean support it means to allow. There is evidence to support the idea that Thoreau did not condone slavery because he wrote against it. Even the quote you provided uses slavery in a negative light as it is a negative thing. God designed a system for slavery in the OT and Jesus did not speak against it. Furthermore Paul who declared having received visions from Jesus writes in condoning it as well.


Why would Jesus go against what God established? It doesn't make sense.


really though since you are exhibiting a double standard, the bible creates a system that says slavery is ok. The bible says sodomy is not ok. You believe in one but not the other, why? What did Jesus change that Paul affirms? why does the bible not once dirctly say slavery is bad?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1353 by DefenderofTruth]

Christ clearly told us that those who are our leaders should be our servants

Except he didn't say to be a leader. He said to be great among you act as a servant or a slave. This is in line with his teachings on poverty and property. He doesn't state you should be a leader. He is talking about rewards in the next life can be obtained by acting as a servant or lowly in this life. You know give up your property give your wealth to the poor the meak shall inherit the earth.

[OpenYourEyes]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

The greatest command is to love God which does not involve hurting anyone, therefore not all commands involve a victim as you concluded.

Homosexuality is wrong because it goes against nature in a theistic framework. Nature being being in accordance to what God intended or by design.

Secular-wise It is inherently less than the ideal. You can not reproduce without a third-party. It will always lead to a step-parent and if the biological parent dies before tbeir same-sex partner then God forbid that the stepparent will not ditch the kids or treat them any less or get another partner which would lead to two stepparents. No different than living as an adopted child.

[Haven]

Homosexuality is wrong because it goes against nature in a theistic framework. Nature being being in accordance to what God intended or by design.

How? Why would a god design people with attractions for the same sex and then say that it's somehow "not what she/he/it intended?"

Secular-wise It is inherently less than the ideal. You can not reproduce without a third-party. It will always lead to a step-parent and if the biological parent dies before tbeir same-sex partner then God forbid that the stepparent will not ditch the kids or treat them any less or get another partner which would lead to two stepparents.

There are plenty of heterosexual couples unable to reproduce biologically. Are they living in sin?

No different than living as an adopted child.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I would love my adopted child just as much as a biological child. They would still be my child, regardless of biology.