Why is homosexuality wrong?

[Greatest I Am]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God’s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

[DefenderofTruth]

Do you believe there is such thing as sexual immorality?

Sure. Non-consensual sexual activity (rape) is definitely grossly immoral.

If you're talking about sex between consenting human adults, then I'd say no, morality usually doesn't enter the picture. The only issue would be breaking confidence with one's partner--cheating, which would be unethical. Other than that, sex has no moral status.

Well we have different opinions then man. Christians believe orgies are sexual immoral. having sex with animals in immoral. Perversion is immoral. Like people sh!*%ing on other people for sexual pleasure... You have an opinion on stuff like that?... Perversion?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1328 by DefenderofTruth]

Like people sh!*%ing on other people for sexual pleasure... You have an opinion on stuff like that?... Perversion?

list the bible verse that makes this a sin. I would be curious if you can find it. Urinating and deficating on a person consensually in a married relationship is not a sin as far as I can tell.

. Christians believe orgies are sexual immoral.

Not all christians agree.... blanket statements tend to be wrong. which bible verse bans sexual interaction with more than two people. You must be well aware that a man can biblically have more than one wife right? Theoretically said individualls could have non sinful orgies.

Sex with animals is always rape because it cannot be uncoerced. It will always be wrong. Yet strangely bestiallity was legal in many states that ban anal sex.

[Haven]

Keep in mind that I'm not a Christian, so I don't accept Christian sexual taboos.

having sex with animals in immoral.

That would fall under non-consensual sex (rape), since non-human animals can't give informed consent.

[DefenderofTruth]

[Replying to post 1328 by DefenderofTruth]

Like people sh!*%ing on other people for sexual pleasure... You have an opinion on stuff like that?... Perversion?

list the bible verse that makes this a sin. I would be curious if you can find it. Urinating and deficating on a person consensually in a married relationship is not a sin as far as I can tell.

. Christians believe orgies are sexual immoral.

Not all christians agree.... blanket statements tend to be wrong. which bible verse bans sexual interaction with more than two people. You must be well aware that a man can biblically have more than one wife right? Theoretically said individualls could have non sinful orgies.

Sex with animals is always rape because it cannot be uncoerced. It will always be wrong. Yet strangely bestiallity was legal in many states that ban anal sex.

I wouldn't have said a 'blanket statement' if it wasn't in the scripture... Hence why i said "christians believe", because Christians believe in the Bible and the teachings of Christ...

Galatians 5
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

And i want you to know that we are not debating US law here, we are debating the morality of a Holy God. We are debating Christian morality...

Do you guys believe in perversion? Is it ok to be perverted?

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1331 by DefenderofTruth]

Galatians 5
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality

that is subjective is it not? What constitutes as sexual immortality? specifically where does it say urination and defication are sexually immoral?

perversion and being perverted are subjective statements be more specific.

[Bust Nak]

Well we have different opinions then man. Christians believe orgies are sexual immoral. having sex with animals in immoral. Perversion is immoral. Like people sh!*%ing on other people for sexual pleasure... You have an opinion on stuff like that?... Perversion?

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[DefenderofTruth]

[Replying to post 1331 by DefenderofTruth]

specifically where does it say urination and defication are sexually immoral?

The Bible doesn't specifically talk of this, as far as i know.

that is subjective is it not? What constitutes as sexual immortality?
perversion and being perverted are subjective statements be more specific.

Thats why i asked you if you believe in perversion... Will you answer that question? Do you believe there is such a thing as being perverted?

[Goat]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

You are right that sins are usually against others, but not sexual sins. The scripture says,

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."

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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones."the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now, let's look at what that roman passage is saying. It is saying that God gave them those flaws, due to their insisting using pagan rites. .. according to Paul. That was the punishment, not the sin. And, of course, that is Paul's opinion.. writing to a group that he viewed as having specific issues at hand.

Nice trying to twist Pauls words there buddy.. it actually says that God gave them up to their own flaws. Actually it says that as a result of neither thanking God nor glorifying God that their hears became darken and thinking became futile. That was a result of their own actions and their own thinking. Because God gives people Faith, God gives Grace, but as a result of ignoring God these men do not revive the faith nor do they receive the grace God gives... Gave gave them up to themselves within their own shortcomings.

Special issues? Paul himself admitted his own sins above everyone. He claimed to be the worse sinner...


no one is without sin, do you disagree with that? Christians believe without God you will be a slave to your own sin.

Yes, I am not Christian, and my religious faith totally disagrees with the concept of Sin as Christians present it. I don't see why I should accept anything that Paul says to be from God.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1334 by DefenderofTruth]

The Bible doesn't specifically talk of this, as far as i know.

Then why reference it? It behooves me to point out what you consider sexually immoral has no biblical basis.

Thats why i asked you if you believe in perversion... Will you answer that question? Do you believe there is such a thing as being perverted?

Yes perversion or being perverted exists as a concept to describe a set of cultural taboos with regards to sex. The subject of being perverted or perversion is to broad to make any relevant claims towards sexual morality without further specificity.

[DefenderofTruth]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God�s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

You are right that sins are usually against others, but not sexual sins. The scripture says,

"Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."

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21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones."the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

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"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires."

Now, let's look at what that roman passage is saying. It is saying that God gave them those flaws, due to their insisting using pagan rites. .. according to Paul. That was the punishment, not the sin. And, of course, that is Paul's opinion.. writing to a group that he viewed as having specific issues at hand.

Nice trying to twist Pauls words there buddy.. it actually says that God gave them up to their own flaws. Actually it says that as a result of neither thanking God nor glorifying God that their hears became darken and thinking became futile. That was a result of their own actions and their own thinking. Because God gives people Faith, God gives Grace, but as a result of ignoring God these men do not revive the faith nor do they receive the grace God gives... Gave gave them up to themselves within their own shortcomings.

Special issues? Paul himself admitted his own sins above everyone. He claimed to be the worse sinner...


no one is without sin, do you disagree with that? Christians believe without God you will be a slave to your own sin.

Yes, I am not Christian, and my religious faith totally disagrees with the concept of Sin as Christians present it. I don't see why I should accept anything that Paul says to be from God.

You don't need to be a christian to deliberate the concept of sin..

The question is, is there such thing as the concept of sin?