The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[KCKID]

Yep. It's also an abomination to tell lies, eat unclean foods, profane the Sabbath, worship Molech, etc etc. This hardly means much to us in the year 2012. The term 'abomination' has little impact on we nowadays so I don't think that we should be using such texts as if they do. They have gone the way of the dodo.

The Old Law is the yoke of slavery which Jesus freed us from. Still doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is dually noted multiple times in the New Testament as being a mortal sin in which one will not receive eternal life for.
And yes, homosexuality can be forgiven, just like thievery and adultery. But is one married to thievery? Will God allow a thief who never stops thieving live eternal?
No.
In the same way, if you are an active homosexual, especially one who marries, you have no shame in being a sinner. You rather idolize and commit to mortal sin, and therefore are doomed.

That is the truth of the matter. The very simple, pure, obvious truth. And so homosexuality is not okay. The end.

I am JUST as confident that YOU are misinformed and are, in fact, simply a product of extreme indoctrination by a man-made religion. And, therefore, I'm of the belief that YOU are WRONG!

[SilenceInMotion]

Yep. It's also an abomination to tell lies, eat unclean foods, profane the Sabbath, worship Molech, etc etc. This hardly means much to us in the year 2012. The term 'abomination' has little impact on we nowadays so I don't think that we should be using such texts as if they do. They have gone the way of the dodo.

The Old Law is the yoke of slavery which Jesus freed us from. Still doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is dually noted multiple times in the New Testament as being a mortal sin in which one will not receive eternal life for.
And yes, homosexuality can be forgiven, just like thievery and adultery. But is one married to thievery? Will God allow a thief who never stops thieving live eternal?
No.
In the same way, if you are an active homosexual, especially one who marries, you have no shame in being a sinner. You rather idolize and commit to mortal sin, and therefore are doomed.

That is the truth of the matter. The very simple, pure, obvious truth. And so homosexuality is not okay. The end.

I am JUST as confident that YOU are misinformed and are, in fact, simply a product of extreme indoctrination by a man-made religion. And, therefore, I'm of the belief that YOU are WRONG!

That's nice. Perhaps one day you will come into the light.

[Filthy Tugboat]

"Jews cater to Protestants"?

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Perhaps you should try to find a "forum" where everyone is required to agree with you.

Why did you come here, if you can't bear disagreement?

Disagreement, I can bear. Liberal bigotry, not so much. If people are going to be purposefully ignorant upon everything given, trying to tell me about my own religion, then nobody should complain when it is done to them. You see, some people push harder when they are pushed., I am not going to sit around while others lie through their teeth and manipulate the thread, bashing me with a liberal stick. Allow me to show the heretical notions for what they are, and the plagurism that liberalism produces when it comes to religion.

Who lied through their teeth? Could you demonstrate that they actually lied?

I should be the one asking "Why did you argue with a Roman Catholic if you cannot handle truth?". There obviously haven't been too many educated RC's on here, because you all seem to be completely oblivious about debating with one. We are Christendom.

I personally have encountered many RC's and you have brought nothing new to the table, just reasserted the same BS about how the RCC is the one true church started by Peter and that your denomination is "the true path to God". Something I have never seen a grain of evidence to support despite many requests for substantiation. I have even asked you a few times, if you would like to actually answer it, feel free to respond to this at any time.

I'm only part of the original, biblical church you know. I do not labor under heresies,

I call bs. You have dodged challenges to this claim, if you have no intention to support it, stop making the claim. believe it all you want, for all I know, it might be true, but don't pretend it is a well evidenced fact, it's a baseless assertion that is believed due to dogma and tradition. This is a debating forum, claims are required to be substantiated before they are given any credibility.

and quite frankly, it's amusing to see atheists even pretend as if they have some inclination to either when deep down they hate God.

Why would I hate something I don't believe in? I suppose I might hate him in the same way I hate Voldemort and other fictional characters that inspire if not directly order acts that I find detestable and recommend terrible ways of life. But I could never hate God like I would hate someone whom I actually believed existed and caused actual harm.

If you are an atheist, you do not deserve to be called Jewish. *Irony., the most racist minded people on the planet also happen to be the quickest to call anything antisemitic. Goat isn't about to join this jumping junction without being stripped of his misleading title first. I am the religious one on here.

Judaism is about far more than religion, you should be well aware of this fact as you are apart of one of the largest Anti-Semitic organizations in the world, i would assume you were reasonably familiar with what it is your church actively (and certainly historically) persecutes.

[Moses Yoder]

Once again you only respond to the posts that suit you and ignore those you have no answer to.

I see it's a tradition on here to make dishonest statements. Oh well, as long as others feed your delusion. You all are so bent out of shape that a Christian can make a case against the things you all claim, having been so used to harping 'political correctness' . It eats you up inside, so you say certain things in hopes that it will continue others in laboring under a consistent delusion.
I have proven everything that can be proven and deduced everything else with reason. You all are the one's snarling and blowing your liberal trumpets. Breaking the rules, you see.
Not that a *certain someone* is going to call you out on it. It is obviously a crime to be an intelligent conservative Catholic on these forums.

Silence In Motion, I have asked several questions on here that have simply been ignored. Now I have something else to say. Jesus said Christians are the light of the world. He said we would be known by our love for each other (I assume that means those around us too.) How can a true Christian join a web bulletin board and act in such a way that they completely turn off people to their religion, they get put under probation, and then eventually banned. How is that being the light of the world? I ask because I notice you are under probation and in this thread called us all heretics which got you a warning.

I agree with you that homosexuality is sin. So is speeding. So is divorce and remarriage. So is lying. So how can you consider yourself to be better than a homosexual?

[Goat]

This thread is what made me decide to join this forum, straight forward the amount of judgement I read in here brought tears to my eyes. It is no wonder that the world hates Christianity, it never passes our lips, never reaches our hearts or hands. That's not love and we are to be defined by that same love we do not express.

On Topic: Homosexuals are never condemned (because of who they are) in the Bible, nor are murderers, thieves, liars, those who lust. What IS condemned however is the actions that those labels belong to. It is said that it is an "ABOMINATION for a man to lay with another man." Why? Because this goes against the basis of creation, it has no purpose other than self gratification and pleasure. This is also not love, Christian or not, Love is selfless, and seeks to build the recipient of the love not the one giving it away. The truth is Homosexuality is a temptation no less than lust for a person of the opposite sex, understand this, we, meaning Christians, hold no right to judge them for what they do.

On the current topic: (still wondering how it got here) There is only one type of Christian and that is the Church, a group of people spanning the ages all the way back to Jesus Himself. The Church is timeless and beyond denominations, it does not recognize "Catholic" or "Baptist" or any other title you can place on it. The Church is beyond such things, in but not of this world. The Jews do not "know we are the real Christians and hate us for it" they believe that the Church has not come to pass yet and that the messiah is on his way still. At least the non-completed Jews hold this to be true, the Completed Jews will stand with me in Heaven praising God with me for all eternity.

P.S. Im new but not new to the scene, yes my english is awful Im sorry if you dont understand what I say just ask or mock it (as seems to be the way on these forums), Ill fix it.

Finally Hi! Glad to meet you all.

Well, you know, there is no such thing as a 'completed Jew'.. I personally find that terminology highly offensive.

Also, the term 'abomination' is a rather bad translation of from the Hebrew 'Tovaeh' , which means 'ritualistically unclean'. It is the same word that is used for eating shrimp, wearing a linen/wool mix, and menstruating women.

[A_Servant]

This thread is what made me decide to join this forum, straight forward the amount of judgement I read in here brought tears to my eyes. It is no wonder that the world hates Christianity, it never passes our lips, never reaches our hearts or hands. That's not love and we are to be defined by that same love we do not express.

On Topic: Homosexuals are never condemned (because of who they are) in the Bible, nor are murderers, thieves, liars, those who lust. What IS condemned however is the actions that those labels belong to. It is said that it is an "ABOMINATION for a man to lay with another man." Why? Because this goes against the basis of creation, it has no purpose other than self gratification and pleasure. This is also not love, Christian or not, Love is selfless, and seeks to build the recipient of the love not the one giving it away. The truth is Homosexuality is a temptation no less than lust for a person of the opposite sex, understand this, we, meaning Christians, hold no right to judge them for what they do.

On the current topic: (still wondering how it got here) There is only one type of Christian and that is the Church, a group of people spanning the ages all the way back to Jesus Himself. The Church is timeless and beyond denominations, it does not recognize "Catholic" or "Baptist" or any other title you can place on it. The Church is beyond such things, in but not of this world. The Jews do not "know we are the real Christians and hate us for it" they believe that the Church has not come to pass yet and that the messiah is on his way still. At least the non-completed Jews hold this to be true, the Completed Jews will stand with me in Heaven praising God with me for all eternity.

P.S. Im new but not new to the scene, yes my english is awful Im sorry if you dont understand what I say just ask or mock it (as seems to be the way on these forums), Ill fix it.

Finally Hi! Glad to meet you all.

Well, you know, there is no such thing as a 'completed Jew'.. I personally find that terminology highly offensive.

Also, the term 'abomination' is a rather bad translation of from the Hebrew 'Tovaeh' , which means 'ritualistically unclean'. It is the same word that is used for eating shrimp, wearing a linen/wool mix, and menstruating women.

They call themselves completed. I didnt make the term, Im sorry it offends you but it is how they refer to themselves.

what word would you prefer? Perversion, defilation, dirty works for me, vile works for me, these still convey the nastiness of the sin

[Goat]

This thread is what made me decide to join this forum, straight forward the amount of judgement I read in here brought tears to my eyes. It is no wonder that the world hates Christianity, it never passes our lips, never reaches our hearts or hands. That's not love and we are to be defined by that same love we do not express.

On Topic: Homosexuals are never condemned (because of who they are) in the Bible, nor are murderers, thieves, liars, those who lust. What IS condemned however is the actions that those labels belong to. It is said that it is an "ABOMINATION for a man to lay with another man." Why? Because this goes against the basis of creation, it has no purpose other than self gratification and pleasure. This is also not love, Christian or not, Love is selfless, and seeks to build the recipient of the love not the one giving it away. The truth is Homosexuality is a temptation no less than lust for a person of the opposite sex, understand this, we, meaning Christians, hold no right to judge them for what they do.

On the current topic: (still wondering how it got here) There is only one type of Christian and that is the Church, a group of people spanning the ages all the way back to Jesus Himself. The Church is timeless and beyond denominations, it does not recognize "Catholic" or "Baptist" or any other title you can place on it. The Church is beyond such things, in but not of this world. The Jews do not "know we are the real Christians and hate us for it" they believe that the Church has not come to pass yet and that the messiah is on his way still. At least the non-completed Jews hold this to be true, the Completed Jews will stand with me in Heaven praising God with me for all eternity.

P.S. Im new but not new to the scene, yes my english is awful Im sorry if you dont understand what I say just ask or mock it (as seems to be the way on these forums), Ill fix it.

Finally Hi! Glad to meet you all.

Well, you know, there is no such thing as a 'completed Jew'.. I personally find that terminology highly offensive.

Also, the term 'abomination' is a rather bad translation of from the Hebrew 'Tovaeh' , which means 'ritualistically unclean'. It is the same word that is used for eating shrimp, wearing a linen/wool mix, and menstruating women.

They call themselves completed. I didnt make the term, Im sorry it offends you but it is how they refer to themselves.

what word would you prefer? Perversion, defilation, dirty works for me, vile works for me, these still convey the nastiness of the sin

No, they don't. They call themselves 'Christians'. The whole 'completed Jew' was done by missionaries targeting Jews.

And, 'ritualistically unclean' is not 'perversion, defilation, and vile'. It is easliy rectified by a mikvah bath...

And, if you read the commentary about it, it specifically refers to the humiliation rape...

[A_Servant]

Again not my term, I am still sorry it offends you. My usage was only once and I havent used it again. Nor will I use it as best I remember since it does offend you. Its origin and usage today are not my concern.

So you are seeking to fix your soul by cleansing your body? Something I dont understand, the dog has an accident on the carpet, to "cleanse the house" you throw the dog out? the feces still remains. I understand this is a ritual bathing and used to cleanse all sorts of things from you but it makes no sense to me. Please explain it.

Who's commentary? Where is it? What does it say specifically? I can find fifty that say otherwise to what you are saying to me now. If you wish to bring something to the table like this then please do so but do so properly.

KcKid Im working on my reply for you I had it written and then the whole thing went away when I hit my mouse and closed the window. It will probably be later since I am out for the day.

[cnorman18]

Like I said:

"Everyone doesn't bow down to my obviously superior knowledge, wisdom and piety and kiss my holy behind, therefore I am being persecuted."

And now you're presuming to pontificate on who is and is not Jewish, a subject about which you apparently know nothing, and further assuming that your misinformed stereotypes are evidence of Jews being "racist minded." There are Jews of every race on the planet, genius: anyone who converts to Judaism under the auspices of a properly constituted bet din is as Jewish as anyone descended directly from Abraham Avinu. That is a matter of Jewish law and has been true for centuries -- and your opinion means absolutely nothing on the matter.

I thought you said you were leaving?

If I don't know anything about it, then why did I just tell everything about it? An atheist who doe snot hail from Israel does not get to call their self Jewish because they are 1/5th Semite.
There is a line to be drawn. I am sure I am 1/80th Semite somehow. Am I Jewish?
It is not a matter of Jewish law because there is nothing of the sort. Being Jewish is to be grafted into Israel.

"Everyone should bow to me because I am ultra-liberal in my views"

That is how you all act. I am almost convinced that liberalism is synonymous with being woefully ignorant in the name of hippiedom.

Uh, no. No one here is saying that you have no right to believe as you do, as you are inarguably saying to us.

I am not an atheist. I converted to Judaism through milah and mikvah and under the authority of a duly constituted bet din, and that makes me as Jewish as Moses.

Let me make sure I'm getting this right; on your own authority as a Roman Catholic, you are abrogating and abolishing all Jewish law and declaring that there is no such thing? It has been replaced by Roman Catholic doctrines, and the Jewish religion no longer exists? Is that what you're saying here? Please make yourself clear.

[Clownboat]

This thread is what made me decide to join this forum, straight forward the amount of judgement I read in here brought tears to my eyes. It is no wonder that the world hates Christianity, it never passes our lips, never reaches our hearts or hands. That's not love and we are to be defined by that same love we do not express.

On Topic: Homosexuals are never condemned (because of who they are) in the Bible, nor are murderers, thieves, liars, those who lust. What IS condemned however is the actions that those labels belong to. It is said that it is an "ABOMINATION for a man to lay with another man." Why? Because this goes against the basis of creation, it has no purpose other than self gratification and pleasure. This is also not love, Christian or not, Love is selfless, and seeks to build the recipient of the love not the one giving it away. The truth is Homosexuality is a temptation no less than lust for a person of the opposite sex, understand this, we, meaning Christians, hold no right to judge them for what they do.

On the current topic: (still wondering how it got here) There is only one type of Christian and that is the Church, a group of people spanning the ages all the way back to Jesus Himself. The Church is timeless and beyond denominations, it does not recognize "Catholic" or "Baptist" or any other title you can place on it. The Church is beyond such things, in but not of this world. The Jews do not "know we are the real Christians and hate us for it" they believe that the Church has not come to pass yet and that the messiah is on his way still. At least the non-completed Jews hold this to be true, the Completed Jews will stand with me in Heaven praising God with me for all eternity.

P.S. Im new but not new to the scene, yes my english is awful Im sorry if you dont understand what I say just ask or mock it (as seems to be the way on these forums), Ill fix it.

Finally Hi! Glad to meet you all.

Welcome to the forum.
After reading your post, I am interested in your take on this:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/do ... 497556.htm
She looks like a woman, acts like a woman and got married as a wife. But she couldn't bear children because she is actually a man.

Her congenital anomaly was surgically removed, but she cannot bear children and a chromosome examination confirmed that "she" is actually a "he."

The case is one in 10,000.

You said:

Because this (homosexuality) goes against the basis of creation

Did your god not create this person? Is this person a homosexual and an abomination? Can you make sense of this for me?

Thanks.