Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2910]

Note also that if Jesus accepts His inheritance of everlasting life for remaining without sin as you claim, then He cannot also give His inheritance to those who believe in Him! And His purpose for being on the earth will be invalidated.

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ— if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Romans 8:17

if we endure, we will also reign with him. 2 Timothy 2:12

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Rev 20:6


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

Peace to you,

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2910]

Note also that if Jesus accepts His inheritance of everlasting life for remaining without sin as you claim, then He cannot also give His inheritance to those who believe in Him! And His purpose for being on the earth will be invalidated.

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ— if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Romans 8:17

if we endure, we will also reign with him. 2 Timothy 2:12

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Rev 20:6


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Is Jesus Christ alive now as a human?

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2910]

Note also that if Jesus accepts His inheritance of everlasting life for remaining without sin as you claim, then He cannot also give His inheritance to those who believe in Him! And His purpose for being on the earth will be invalidated.

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ— if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Romans 8:17

if we endure, we will also reign with him. 2 Timothy 2:12

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Rev 20:6


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Is Jesus Christ alive now as a human?

He (Jaheshua) is alive now as the Spirit.


Same person. Different body.


Peace again to you.

[myth-one.com]

Note also that if Jesus accepts His inheritance of everlasting life for remaining without sin as you claim, then He cannot also give His inheritance to those who believe in Him! And His purpose for being on the earth will be invalidated.

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ— if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Romans 8:17

if we endure, we will also reign with him. 2 Timothy 2:12

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Rev 20:6

Yes, Jesus is the first and only heir to everlasting life under the original covenant between God and the Israelites. Under that covenant, the wages of sin is death, but He never sinned, thus He is in the Book of Life as an heir to everlasting life. He is the only heir produced under that Covenant:

1 Timothy 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting.

But He will not accept His inheritance, as He agrees to give it to us freely under terms of the New Testament Covenant:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

To accept the gift of everlasting life one must believe in Jesus as their Saviour:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

So yes, believers are now joint heirs to everlasting life with Jesus Christ. We will receive His inheritance as a gift. Thus He will not receive His inheritance.

Is Jesus Christ alive now as a human?

He (Jaheshua) is alive now as the Spirit.

Same person. Different body.

Yes, that Spirit is the Word. There is no longer any cause for Jesus to be alive as a human. His mission as a human was successfully completed!

[tam]

Peace to you,

Note also that if Jesus accepts His inheritance of everlasting life for remaining without sin as you claim, then He cannot also give His inheritance to those who believe in Him! And His purpose for being on the earth will be invalidated.

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ— if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Romans 8:17

if we endure, we will also reign with him. 2 Timothy 2:12

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Rev 20:6

Yes, Jesus is the first and only heir to everlasting life under the original covenant between God and the Israelites. Under that covenant, the wages of sin is death, but He never sinned, thus He is in the Book of Life as an heir to everlasting life.

It is His book, myth-one. (As the Spirit just reminded me: the Lamb's book of Life.)

It is His book. He is Himself the Life. He can blot names out of that book. It is not written (that I know of), but I don't see why He could not also write names INTO that book. Either way, it is His book.

The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels. Rev 3:5

All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. Rev 13:8

But He will not accept His inheritance, as He agrees to give it to us freely under terms of the New Testament Covenant:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

That verse does not say what you are saying.

Nowhere does that verse state that Christ does not accept His inheritance. And as stated in the previous post:

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ— if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him. Romans 8:17

if we endure, we will also reign with him. 2 Timothy 2:12

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. Rev 20:6

So yes, believers are now joint heirs to everlasting life with Jesus Christ. We will receive His inheritance as a gift. Thus He will not receive His inheritance.

That is not what 'joint-heir' means, myth-one.

And the covenant is for a Kingdom. Christ is the King of all God's creation, all God's Kingdom, and He shares that rule with His Bride for (at least) a thousand years. He Himself continues to reign forever.

Eternal life is a gift that comes through Christ because Christ is Himself the Life, the One from whom we must eat in order to live forever, the Tree of Life

Is Jesus Christ alive now as a human?

He (Jaheshua) is alive now as the Spirit.

Same person. Different body.

Yes, that Spirit is the Word. There is no longer any cause for Jesus to be alive as a human. His mission as a human was successfully completed!

He has always been (and still is) the Word, the Truth, the Life, the Son of God, the Light...

The body is what changed.

He - the person He is - is the same.

You seem to be speaking of Christ and the Word as if they are two different people, as if Christ is not the Word. If so I do not understand why some of you are doing this. Please see the following link from the "I am He or I AM" thread:

viewtopic.php?p=1131444#p1131444



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

How do you share everlasting life?

What would half of everlasting be?

You seem to be speaking of Christ and the Word as if they are two different people, as if Christ is not the Word. If so I do not understand why some of you are doing this.

The Word (God) could not do what needed to be done to fix the fault in the original covenant between God and man.

So the Word had to be made flesh to do so. They are two different bodies -- one a spiritual body and one a natural body.

The Word existed in the beginning, and the Word made flesh was born about 2023 years ago.

[onewithhim]

You didn't answer the direct question to you about the angels that materialized fleshly bodies when visiting Abraham and Lot. Why couldn't Jesus do the same?

Jesus was a man, not an angel.

Did you miss the fact that Jesus said that he came from Heaven? (John 3:13; John 17:5) He was a spirit person in heaven before he came to the earth. Then after he died, he rose from the dead as a spirit person.

Jesus was a man, and flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The Word is the one in Heaven. It's a common mistake.

"It is written, 'The first man, Adam, became a living soul. The last Adam [Jesus] became a life-giving spirit.'" (I Corinthians 15:45, NASB)

The first man was Adam. The last Adam (or man or woman) alive will be the last believer born again of God as a spirit after the Second Coming. After that time, there will be no more humans. All believers will have become spiritual beings and all nonbelievers will have perished. So the first man was Adam, and the last man will be the last Christian born of the Spirit as a spirit.

Note also that if Jesus accepts His inheritance of everlasting life for remaining without sin as you claim, then He cannot also give His inheritance to those who believe in Him! And His purpose for being on the earth will be invalidated.

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit." (I Peter 3:18, NASB)

I Peter 3:18 KJV
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The "us" in 1 Peter 3:18 refers to the believers in Christ who died in the flesh, and will be resurrected as spiritual beings. They will be born again of the Spirit as immortal spirits.

You say that the Word is the one in heaven, not Jesus. But Jesus himself said he came from heaven, so he was there, and he is once again.

"Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, NASB)

[myth-one.com]

You say that the Word is the one in heaven, not Jesus. But Jesus himself said he came from heaven, so he was there, and he is once again.

"Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, NASB)

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jesus was a man.

Has the man Jesus Christ taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the majesty in the heavens?

If so, how do you explain the following verse:

1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

[tam]

Peace to you,

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

How do you share everlasting life?

What would half of everlasting be?

I do not understand the question.

Half of everlasting life (infinity) is still everlasting life (infinity). I literally just googled it and that is the answer. So even mathematically, giving everlasting life to someone else just means you both have everlasting life.


Christ is Himself the LIFE. Eternal life is a gift from God through His Son (the LIFE). Christ said Himself that in order for us to have eternal life we must eat and drink from Him. (John 6) He is the Life, the Tree of Life from whom we must eat in order to live forever. The tree doesn't wither and die just because someone eats from it, myth-one. It is the source from whom we must eat and drink, in order to live forever.

You seem to be speaking of Christ and the Word as if they are two different people, as if Christ is not the Word. If so I do not understand why some of you are doing this.

The Word (God) could not do what needed to be done to fix the fault in the original covenant between God and man.

So the Word had to be made flesh to do so. They are two different bodies -- one a spiritual body and one a natural body.

The Word existed in the beginning, and the Word made flesh was born about 2023 years ago.

Two different bodies, but this is the same person.

From the other thread (that I linked to in the previous post):

I don't know why you guys keep making this distinction. This is the same person. Different bodies, but the same person.

The Christ (the Anointed One) or the Messiah (the Chosen One of JAH) is Jaheshua.
Jaheshua is the Word.
Just as He is the Light.
Just as He is the Life.
Just as He is the Holy One of God.

Listen to HIS words on the matter:

And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. John 17:5

He is speaking of Himself as the One who had glory with His Father before the world existed, is He not?


And isn't Jaheshua both the offspring AND the root of David? Jaheshua, Himself?

“I, [Jesus], have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” Rev 22:16

Or what about His words here:

“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. John 17:24

And it is straightforward here in Hebrews 1:

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Through whom does the author say God made the universe?


And in speaking about Israel after having just left Egypt, Paul said:

They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 1 Corinth 10:3


I just don't understand why you guys are making this distinction between Christ Jaheshua and the Word. Does ANYONE in the NT make this distinction?




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

Peace to you,

He does not give His inheritance to His brothers and sisters; He SHARES it WITH us.

How do you share everlasting life?

What would half of everlasting be?

I do not understand the question.

Half of everlasting life (infinity) is still everlasting life (infinity). I literally just googled it and that is the answer. So even mathematically, giving everlasting life to someone else just means you both have everlasting life.

Correct, everlasting life is a gift, not a sharing as your claimed earlier.

Christ is Himself the LIFE. Eternal life is a gift from God through His Son (the LIFE). Christ said Himself that in order for us to have eternal life we must eat and drink from Him. (John 6) He is the Life, the Tree of Life from whom we must eat in order to live forever. The tree doesn't wither and die just because someone eats from it, myth-one. It is the source from whom we must eat and drink, in order to live forever.

Where or how did the man Jesus obtain access to the everlasting life which He gives to believers?

You seem to be speaking of Christ and the Word as if they are two different people, as if Christ is not the Word. If so I do not understand why some of you are doing this.

Because that's the only way it can be. If the Word could do the same things as Jesus Christ, there would have been no cause to make Jesus Christ!