THE FUTURE

[onewithhim]

Haven't we all, at one time or another, wondered what the future will be like? Experts of men have had a spotty reputation as most of their predictions have proved untrue.

What does the Bible tell us? "The God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed....It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever." (Daniel 2:44, Revised Standard Version)

Is this good news? Of course, when we realize what God's Kingdom is. It is a real government that will replace all of the existing governments on the earth and stand forever. Stability and order will be brought to people on the earth. What will life be like under this government?

NO MORE WAR (Psalm 46:9)
NO MORE SICKNESS (Isaiah 33:24)
NO MORE FOOD SHORTAGE (Psalm 72:16)
NO MORE PAIN, SORROW AND DEATH (Revelation 21:4)

These are just some of the promises made in the Bible about God's Kingdom, and there are more. God has promised all these wonderful things for the future. All righteously inclined people can avail themselves of these promises. Does this sound good to you?

[SiNcE_1985]

Again I say, the WTS never said that the end in 1975 was set in stone. They said it was likely since Adam was created 6,000 years ago from that date.

Hmm..

“So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man’s existence. How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee Sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God’s part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the ‘Lord of the Sabbath,’ to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man’s existence,” (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966 pp.29-30)

So, the 1000 year reign of Christ (Rev 20:4), was supposed to run parallel with the seventh millennium that we are currently living in?

This is what they said would happen...has it happened?

No, it hasn't.

Yet they said it would happen according to the living purpose of Jehovah.

False prophecy.

They said that it could happen that young people would not grow old in this system. They said that "the system of things would be well on its way to its finish IF not actually gone." That was true.

So basically, a lot of young people will die, and not grow old?

When in the history of mankind has that not been true?

I could of told you that.

And they said "if." That's not an absolute prediction. And "well on its way" is not saying that 1975 is actually the date that the system will end. In 1975 the system of things was on its way to its finish. There is not an absolute decree there that the end would come in 1975.

You see, I don't normally like posting links or videos, but here, I feel compelled to do so..

This is what a former JW who lived through the false 1975 prophecy had to say about those times..

Interesting read.

https://www.exmormon.org/d6/drupal/exjw3

So basically, you are downplaying the blatant false prophecy of 1975...it is well documented and is now common knowledge that the 1975 was one of many false prophecies coming from the Watchtower & Tract Society.

[onewithhim]

Again I say, the WTS never said that the end in 1975 was set in stone. They said it was likely since Adam was created 6,000 years ago from that date.

Hmm..

“So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man’s existence. How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee Sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God’s part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the ‘Lord of the Sabbath,’ to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man’s existence,” (Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966 pp.29-30)

So, the 1000 year reign of Christ (Rev 20:4), was supposed to run parallel with the seventh millennium that we are currently living in?

This is what they said would happen...has it happened?

No, it hasn't.

Yet they said it would happen according to the living purpose of Jehovah.

False prophecy.

They said that it could happen that young people would not grow old in this system. They said that "the system of things would be well on its way to its finish IF not actually gone." That was true.

So basically, a lot of young people will die, and not grow old?

When in the history of mankind has that not been true?

I could of told you that.

And they said "if." That's not an absolute prediction. And "well on its way" is not saying that 1975 is actually the date that the system will end. In 1975 the system of things was on its way to its finish. There is not an absolute decree there that the end would come in 1975.

You see, I don't normally like posting links or videos, but here, I feel compelled to do so..

This is what a former JW who lived through the false 1975 prophecy had to say about those times..

Interesting read.

https://www.exmormon.org/d6/drupal/exjw3

So basically, you are downplaying the blatant false prophecy of 1975...it is well documented and is now common knowledge that the 1975 was one of many false prophecies coming from the Watchtower & Tract Society.

You can call it what you want, but I have explained what the reality of the situation was. There was no announcement that 1975 would definitely be the end of the system.
(It looks like you have JWs confused with Mormons.)
"How appropriate it would be" and "would be most timely" are not words of absolute prediction.
The Millennium was not to run in concert with the millennium we're in now. It was thought that since the end might come in 1975 then the Millennial Reign would start.
They did not say that it WOULD happen that the Millennial Reign would start upon 1975 arriving. They said that it would be, not an accident, but according to Jehovah's loving arrangement, IF it happened. That is the meaning. Big word--IF. Not set in stone.
They said it COULD happen that young people would not grow old in this system. They didn't say they WOULD. IF 1975 was the end of this system, then young people would not grow old.
There was no "blatant false prophecy" of 1975. I have shown that it was presented as a possible outcome, not for sure. (And, once again, the WTS does not prophesy; it just examines the Scriptures and conveys to people what is said in them. That is not prophesying. They misunderstood some things, but they continue to straighten out matters and admit they were wrong and do not make educated guesses any more.)

[SiNcE_1985]

You can call it what you want, but I have explained what the reality of the situation was. There was no announcement that 1975 would definitely be the end of the system.

Hmm. Check the bold text for emphasis...

"The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these "last days" will undergo fulfilment." Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272

So, the last days were supposed to be fulfilled, within a few years (1975).

Guess what...those years have come and gone, and nothing happened.

That's what happens when you place your faith in fallible man, onewithhim.

Still not enough?

What about this one..

"The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God." Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13

Do you see any "if's" in there? No.

Do you see any "maybe's" in there? No.

Do you see any "hypotheticals" in there? No.

Do you see a bold prediction there? Yes.

Do you see statements of confidence, certainty, and absolutes in there? Yes.

So, at what point did this corrupt system of things dominating the earth get destroyed by God?

Your organization made a prediction that didn't happen.

Bottom line.

(It looks like you have JWs confused with Mormons.)

Um, no, i didn't.

I know the WTS forbids you to read material outside of the organization...but God won't punish you with hellfire and brimstone if you read the article...because if you did, you would have read..

Freedom from Fear
In the fall of 1968, a special meeting was called at the Kingdom Hall in New Albany, Indiana. Everyone was expected to be there. I sat in the front row with my best friend. We always sat there. We were ten years old and as good little Jehovah's Witnesses, we believed that all new light sent to us from the Governing body was straight from Jehovah God. There was going to be new light passed on to us tonight.

You could have heard a pin drop as everyone sat in anticipation waiting for the speaker to talk. He started by telling us of new light sent to all congregations world wide, from the Governing body in Brooklyn, New York

The person is clearly sharing their experience as a young Jehovah's Witness.

And notice the story begins in the Fall of 1968, which is no coincidence, considering the publication dates of the Watchtower quotes that I shared above comes from the same false-prophecy rhetoric timeline.

"How appropriate it would be" and "would be most timely" are not words of absolute prediction.
The Millennium was not to run in concert with the millennium we're in now. It was thought that since the end might come in 1975 then the Millennial Reign would start.

I expect accurate Bible knowledge when it's coming from Gods chosen organization, as you guys call yourselves.

Wishy washy speculations and guesses doesn't come from God..and disqualifies any person, group, or organization as being "of God".

They did not say that it WOULD happen that the Millennial Reign would start upon 1975 arriving. They said that it would be, not an accident, but according to Jehovah's loving arrangement, IF it happened. That is the meaning. Big word--IF. Not set in stone.

Sorry, but that's simply not true.

JW's were discouraged from making any long term investment plans, because of what was supposed to transpire in 1975...that's where the "no need to enroll in any higher education programs" stuff came from.

And by the way...let's pick up on the article, December 31, 1975. Just one more day until the new year of 1976...

I can also remember the date December 31, 1975. This is one of those dates that will be frozen in my mind forever. The Watchtower Society had said that they could not see beyond 1975. This had to be the day. Mom made all of us go to bed early that night. By this time, there were six children. I lay in my bed wondering what the world would look like the next morning. I never ever for even a moment doubted that the end of the world would come this night. While everyone that I went to school with were out celebrating the coming of the new year, I laid in my bed with tears in my eyes and my pillow over my head, silently praying. Please, Jehovah, keep my family safe, I prayed over and over, until finally I fell asleep.

When I awoke the next morning, much to my surprise, everything looks the same. Nothing had happened. Armageddon did not come. I was so confused. What happened? Mom and dad, nor any of us kids talked about it. It was never mentioned. But something had happened. I didn't realize it at the time, but a small crack had developed in the foundation of my belief of the so-called "truth". This crack so small, that I didn't know it was there, would grow to the point that one day I would be able to free myself from the bonds of the Watchtower Society.

That^ was the anticipation...and the anticipation was so thick that my adrenaline was pumping just reading it.

That^, was what the entire organization had anticipated, as they were spoon-fed this "it will all be over in 1975" nonsense for that past 10 years.

And as the article states...NOTHING HAPPENED.

They had been duped.

Bamboozled.

Lead astray.

They said it COULD happen that young people would not grow old in this system. They didn't say they WOULD. IF 1975 was the end of this system, then young people would not grow old.
There was no "blatant false prophecy" of 1975. I have shown that it was presented as a possible outcome, not for sure. (And, once again, the WTS does not prophesy; it just examines the Scriptures and conveys to people what is said in them. That is not prophesying. They misunderstood some things, but they continue to straighten out matters and admit they were wrong and do not make educated guesses any more.)

Anyone can make a mistake by certain misunderstandings. We are all human.

The fact of the matter is, when you call yourself "God's organization", "The Truth", and you state that God channels his will and his way through the governing body of the organization...when you make those bold claims, you set a high standard for yourself...and you need to be able to back it up.

So, drop the whole "we are God's organization thing".

You can be wrong, but don't be wrong as God's organization.

Especially when it comes to stuff like that...leading hundreds of thousands of people (if not millions) astray.

That is not God's work.

[onewithhim]

You can call it what you want, but I have explained what the reality of the situation was. There was no announcement that 1975 would definitely be the end of the system.

Hmm. Check the bold text for emphasis...

"The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these "last days" will undergo fulfilment." Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272

So, the last days were supposed to be fulfilled, within a few years (1975).

Guess what...those years have come and gone, and nothing happened.

That's what happens when you place your faith in fallible man, onewithhim.

Still not enough?

What about this one..

"The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God." Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13

Do you see any "if's" in there? No.

Do you see any "maybe's" in there? No.

Do you see any "hypotheticals" in there? No.

Do you see a bold prediction there? Yes.

Do you see statements of confidence, certainty, and absolutes in there? Yes.

So, at what point did this corrupt system of things dominating the earth get destroyed by God?

Your organization made a prediction that didn't happen.

Bottom line.

You apparently didn't read my post very carefully, and what they said is absolutely true. In the very near future the system will come to an end. What is false about that?

[onewithhim]

You can call it what you want, but I have explained what the reality of the situation was. There was no announcement that 1975 would definitely be the end of the system.

Hmm. Check the bold text for emphasis...

"The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these "last days" will undergo fulfilment." Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272

So, the last days were supposed to be fulfilled, within a few years (1975).

Guess what...those years have come and gone, and nothing happened.

That's what happens when you place your faith in fallible man, onewithhim.

Still not enough?

What about this one..

"The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the "last days" have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God." Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13

Do you see any "if's" in there? No.

Do you see any "maybe's" in there? No.

Do you see any "hypotheticals" in there? No.

Do you see a bold prediction there? Yes.

Do you see statements of confidence, certainty, and absolutes in there? Yes.

So, at what point did this corrupt system of things dominating the earth get destroyed by God?

Your organization made a prediction that didn't happen.

Bottom line.

You apparently didn't read my post very carefully, and what they said is absolutely true. In the very near future the system will come to an end. What is false about that?

[SiNcE_1985]

You apparently didn't read my post very carefully, and what they said is absolutely true. In the very near future the system will come to an end. What is false about that?

The near future in 1968, was 1975.

[onewithhim]

You apparently didn't read my post very carefully, and what they said is absolutely true. In the very near future the system will come to an end. What is false about that?

The near future in 1968, was 1975.

No, that is your interpretation. It didn't necessarily mean 1975. It said "the near future." We are still in the near future. What is 50 years to God?

[SiNcE_1985]

You apparently didn't read my post very carefully, and what they said is absolutely true. In the very near future the system will come to an end. What is false about that?

The near future in 1968, was 1975.

No, that is your interpretation. It didn't necessarily mean 1975. It said "the near future." We are still in the near future. What is 50 years to God?

This is gaslighting.

How is it my interpretation, when..

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"." Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20"

So, according to this Awake article, it does necessarily mean 1975.

You see "The Year 1975" as clear as day, don't you?

"Stay Alive to 1975".

So, did we witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end", as the article stated we would?

No, we didn't.

It was a false prophecy, OwH.

False prophecy and false prophets are not of God, from God, or by God.

The WTS is a man-made organization that puts an organization in place of God.

[onewithhim]

You apparently didn't read my post very carefully, and what they said is absolutely true. In the very near future the system will come to an end. What is false about that?

The near future in 1968, was 1975.

No, that is your interpretation. It didn't necessarily mean 1975. It said "the near future." We are still in the near future. What is 50 years to God?

This is gaslighting.

How is it my interpretation, when..

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"." Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20"

So, according to this Awake article, it does necessarily mean 1975.

You see "The Year 1975" as clear as day, don't you?

No gaslighting here. You still haven't shown that 1975 was the definite date of the system coming to an end. They said that 1975 was the 6,000th year since Adam was created. That is all they said. They are still right about "a relatively few years" until the end of the devil's wicked system of things. We are still in these relatively few years.

[onewithhim]

You apparently didn't read my post very carefully, and what they said is absolutely true. In the very near future the system will come to an end. What is false about that?

The near future in 1968, was 1975.

No, that is your interpretation. It didn't necessarily mean 1975. It said "the near future." We are still in the near future. What is 50 years to God?

This is gaslighting.

False prophecy and false prophets are not of God, from God, or by God.

The WTS is a man-made organization that puts an organization in place of God.

The WTS is not a man-made organization. It is run by Jesus himself. Do you want to be fighting against Jesus? He is guiding his organization to witness about his Kingdom and what it will do for the earth.