JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[A Freeman]

Who was Jesus?

Jesus was the mortal human son of the virgin body of Mary, descended from the line of David (Matt. 1:1-17), who was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, here on Earth. Hence the numerous references (80+ in the Gospel accounts) to Jesus as "the Son of Man" (i.e. a human), something God could NEVER be.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

1 Samuel 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor reconsider: for He [is] not a man, that He should change His mind.

Job 9:32 For [He is] not a man, as I [am, that] I should answer Him, [and] we should come together in judgment.

Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of Mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I [am] God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

John 4:24 [color=#0040FF]God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.[/color]


Who is Christ?

Christ IS an immortal spiritual-Being (Angel/Soul/Jinn), the firstborn/first-created Son of God (the beginning of the creation of God - John 1:1-3; Col. 1:12-15; Rev. 3:14). Hence the numerous references (50+ in the Gospel accounts) of Christ as "the Son of God", whom God SENT (as it also tells us over 50 times in the Gospel accounts).

When Christ incarnated the body of Jesus 2000 years ago (John 1:14), they together became the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ.

It was the mortal human Jesus that was crucified, died and was buried, and whom God raised 3 days and 3 nights later, NOT the immortal spiritual-Being Christ (Sura 4:157-158).

https://vtforeignpolicy.com/2025/04/thr ... ee-nights/

(They Killed Christ NOT

[onewithhim]

Marke: God commanded all creatures to worship Jesus. If you have a problem with that then the issue is between you and God.

Yes I know, and I addressed that in a previous post.

You did accept that Jesus is to be worshiped not the kind or level of worship to the Father.
I am confused is your church monotheistic or henotheistic?
As henotheism is the worship of a single, supreme god that does not deny the existence or possible existence of other deities that may be worshipped.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism

My faith is such that I am definitely monotheistic. Jehovah is God (the Father) and Jesus is His Son, subordinate to his Father. Jesus deserves to be "worshipped" but not as God Almighty. The one God is Jehovah. There are no other gods that are equal to Him.

You just completely doing the definition of Henotheism.
You worship the Father as God Almighty.
And another level of worship to Jesus.
You absolutely practiced Henotheism, see its definition once again and use your own wisdom without interpreting it with pre-conceived belief.

What do you mean about what you said about "pre-conceived belief"? I didn't have a pre-conceived belief before I started studying with the Witnesses (except hell-fire; I didn't believe in that to begin with). If you say I'm "Henotheistic," fine...I have nothing against your saying that. It seems correct, the way you put it.

[onewithhim]

Yes, but not as God Almighty. He deserves love and respect, absolutely, but not as the one true God. That level of worship goes to the Most High, Jehovah. (Psalm 83:18, KJV)

Marke: God commanded all creatures to worship Jesus. If you have a problem with that then the issue is between you and God.

Yes I know, and I addressed that in a previous post.

You did accept that Jesus is to be worshiped not the kind or level of worship to the Father.

Marke: Are you saying God accepts and even encourages men and angels to worship creatures that are not God in some lower or different form of worship?

Yes. Jesus is to be "worshipped," but not as God Almighty. He deserves respect and honor, but not as God. A man in the Bible worshipped another man of important stature (Matthew 18:26), so there is indeed another "level" of "worship." God is worshipped, Jesus is worshipped, and an important man is worshipped. God is worshipped as God Almighty; no one else is worshipped as God Almighty. Jesus is worshipped as deserving of deep respect and honor, being an important, powerful individual, but not God Almighty. The man at Matthew 18:26 worshipped another man because the other man was of higher rank than he was, so it was the custom to worship someone like that. And after all is said and done, Jehovah is the only One that is to be worshipped as God Almighty.

[Capbook]

Yes I know, and I addressed that in a previous post.

You did accept that Jesus is to be worshiped not the kind or level of worship to the Father.
I am confused is your church monotheistic or henotheistic?
As henotheism is the worship of a single, supreme god that does not deny the existence or possible existence of other deities that may be worshipped.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism

My faith is such that I am definitely monotheistic. Jehovah is God (the Father) and Jesus is His Son, subordinate to his Father. Jesus deserves to be "worshipped" but not as God Almighty. The one God is Jehovah. There are no other gods that are equal to Him.

You just completely doing the definition of Henotheism.
You worship the Father as God Almighty.
And another level of worship to Jesus.
You absolutely practiced Henotheism, see its definition once again and use your own wisdom without interpreting it with pre-conceived belief.

What do you mean about what you said about "pre-conceived belief"? I didn't have a pre-conceived belief before I started studying with the Witnesses (except hell-fire; I didn't believe in that to begin with). If you say I'm "Henotheistic," fine...I have nothing against your saying that. It seems correct, the way you put it.

Good, that you accept that you absolutely practiced "Henotheism", not the "pre-conceived" belief of monotheism.

[onewithhim]

You did accept that Jesus is to be worshiped not the kind or level of worship to the Father.
I am confused is your church monotheistic or henotheistic?
As henotheism is the worship of a single, supreme god that does not deny the existence or possible existence of other deities that may be worshipped.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism

My faith is such that I am definitely monotheistic. Jehovah is God (the Father) and Jesus is His Son, subordinate to his Father. Jesus deserves to be "worshipped" but not as God Almighty. The one God is Jehovah. There are no other gods that are equal to Him.

You just completely doing the definition of Henotheism.
You worship the Father as God Almighty.
And another level of worship to Jesus.
You absolutely practiced Henotheism, see its definition once again and use your own wisdom without interpreting it with pre-conceived belief.

What do you mean about what you said about "pre-conceived belief"? I didn't have a pre-conceived belief before I started studying with the Witnesses (except hell-fire; I didn't believe in that to begin with). If you say I'm "Henotheistic," fine...I have nothing against your saying that. It seems correct, the way you put it.

Good, that you accept that you absolutely practiced "Henotheism", not the "pre-conceived" belief of monotheism.

I would say that "henotheism" would include a belief of "monothesism."

[Capbook]

My faith is such that I am definitely monotheistic. Jehovah is God (the Father) and Jesus is His Son, subordinate to his Father. Jesus deserves to be "worshipped" but not as God Almighty. The one God is Jehovah. There are no other gods that are equal to Him.

You just completely doing the definition of Henotheism.
You worship the Father as God Almighty.
And another level of worship to Jesus.
You absolutely practiced Henotheism, see its definition once again and use your own wisdom without interpreting it with pre-conceived belief.

What do you mean about what you said about "pre-conceived belief"? I didn't have a pre-conceived belief before I started studying with the Witnesses (except hell-fire; I didn't believe in that to begin with). If you say I'm "Henotheistic," fine...I have nothing against your saying that. It seems correct, the way you put it.

Good, that you accept that you absolutely practiced "Henotheism", not the "pre-conceived" belief of monotheism.

I would say that "henotheism" would include a belief of "monothesism."

Those two are in contradiction, a juxtapose.
Monotheism is the worship of one God and no other.
While Henotheism is the worship of one God and any other, that cannot be. Remember God said I am a jealous God.

[marke]

Marke: God commanded all creatures to worship Jesus. If you have a problem with that then the issue is between you and God.

Yes I know, and I addressed that in a previous post.

You did accept that Jesus is to be worshiped not the kind or level of worship to the Father.

Marke: Are you saying God accepts and even encourages men and angels to worship creatures that are not God in some lower or different form of worship?

Yes. Jesus is to be "worshipped," but not as God Almighty. He deserves respect and honor, but not as God. A man in the Bible worshipped another man of important stature (Matthew 18:26), so there is indeed another "level" of "worship." God is worshipped, Jesus is worshipped, and an important man is worshipped. God is worshipped as God Almighty; no one else is worshipped as God Almighty. Jesus is worshipped as deserving of deep respect and honor, being an important, powerful individual, but not God Almighty. The man at Matthew 18:26 worshipped another man because the other man was of higher rank than he was, so it was the custom to worship someone like that. And after all is said and done, Jehovah is the only One that is to be worshipped as God Almighty.

Marke: Are you saying Jesus is higher than a man but lower than God?

[onewithhim]

You just completely doing the definition of Henotheism.
You worship the Father as God Almighty.
And another level of worship to Jesus.
You absolutely practiced Henotheism, see its definition once again and use your own wisdom without interpreting it with pre-conceived belief.

What do you mean about what you said about "pre-conceived belief"? I didn't have a pre-conceived belief before I started studying with the Witnesses (except hell-fire; I didn't believe in that to begin with). If you say I'm "Henotheistic," fine...I have nothing against your saying that. It seems correct, the way you put it.

Good, that you accept that you absolutely practiced "Henotheism", not the "pre-conceived" belief of monotheism.

I would say that "henotheism" would include a belief of "monothesism."

Those two are in contradiction, a juxtapose.
Monotheism is the worship of one God and no other.
While Henotheism is the worship of one God and any other, that cannot be. Remember God said I am a jealous God.

Your definition of "Henotheism" would include "monotheism." That is the way you yourself defined Henotheism. And, once again, we worship Jehovah---one God---and none other as God Almighty.

[Capbook]

What do you mean about what you said about "pre-conceived belief"? I didn't have a pre-conceived belief before I started studying with the Witnesses (except hell-fire; I didn't believe in that to begin with). If you say I'm "Henotheistic," fine...I have nothing against your saying that. It seems correct, the way you put it.

Good, that you accept that you absolutely practiced "Henotheism", not the "pre-conceived" belief of monotheism.

I would say that "henotheism" would include a belief of "monothesism."

But the worship of "a god" to you, of another level than the Father that is explicitly practicing henotheism not monotheism.

Those two are in contradiction, a juxtapose.
Monotheism is the worship of one God and no other.
While Henotheism is the worship of one God and any other, that cannot be. Remember God said I am a jealous God.

Your definition of "Henotheism" would include "monotheism." That is the way you yourself defined Henotheism. And, once again, we worship Jehovah---one God---and none other as God Almighty.

[Capbook]

What do you mean about what you said about "pre-conceived belief"? I didn't have a pre-conceived belief before I started studying with the Witnesses (except hell-fire; I didn't believe in that to begin with). If you say I'm "Henotheistic," fine...I have nothing against your saying that. It seems correct, the way you put it.

Good, that you accept that you absolutely practiced "Henotheism", not the "pre-conceived" belief of monotheism.

I would say that "henotheism" would include a belief of "monothesism."

Those two are in contradiction, a juxtapose.
Monotheism is the worship of one God and no other.
While Henotheism is the worship of one God and any other, that cannot be. Remember God said I am a jealous God.

Your definition of "Henotheism" would include "monotheism." That is the way you yourself defined Henotheism. And, once again, we worship Jehovah---one God---and none other as God Almighty.

But the worship of "a god" to you, of another level than the Father that is explicitly practicing henotheism not monotheism.