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JESUS IS NOT GOD

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I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 

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Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:17 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.
May I ask again, is this original Greek wrong? Yes or no.

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:17 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.
May I ask again, is this original Greek wrong? Yes or no.

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
No, the original Greek is not wrong. The way men have twisted it is what is wrong.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:41 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:17 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.
May I ask again, is this original Greek wrong? Yes or no.

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
No, the original Greek is not wrong. The way men have twisted it is what is wrong.
As it is not wrong. It is right. No need of interpretation of that Greek “and God was the word” just read it plain.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:10 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:41 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:17 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 2:21 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?
Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.
May I ask again, is this original Greek wrong? Yes or no.

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
No, the original Greek is not wrong. The way men have twisted it is what is wrong.
As it is not wrong. It is right. No need of interpretation of that Greek “and God was the word” just read it plain.
Yes, read it plain from the original Greek language which says, word for word, "and god was the word." No article is there, but there is before "he was in the beginning with the god."

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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

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Post by Capbook »

onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:10 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:41 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:00 pm
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Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 3:16 am

Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.
May I ask again, is this original Greek wrong? Yes or no.

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
No, the original Greek is not wrong. The way men have twisted it is what is wrong.
As it is not wrong. It is right. No need of interpretation of that Greek “and God was the word” just read it plain.
Yes, read it plain from the original Greek language which says, word for word, "and god was the word." No article is there, but there is before "he was in the beginning with the god."
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

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Re: JESUS IS NOT GOD

Post #1820

Post by myth-one.com »

Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:23 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:48 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:10 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:41 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:00 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:17 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:01 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:23 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:49 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:16 pm
What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.
One is; John 1:1 that say, " And God was the word" in original Greek verse construction. A big difference with NWT.

Jhn 1:1 In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word]. G3056 
Other versions besides the NWT that say "the Word was a god" or "the Word was divine" are The Emphatic Diaglott; Moffatt's Translation; 21st Century New Testament and others that have been presented on these threads in the past. The gist of the matter is this:

"In the beginning was the [Marshal] [Word] and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god. [A mighty spirit.] This one was in the beginning with God. All came to be through him, and apart from him not even one thing came to be which has come to be." (John 1:1-3, 21st Century N.T.)
Original Greek still says, "and God was the word". Above and below I colored red.
Is that wrong to you?

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
The Greek says, "and a god was the Word." He is a mighty spirit Person.
May I ask again, is this original Greek wrong? Yes or no.

Jhn 1:1 εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJθεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Jhn 1:1 ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
No, the original Greek is not wrong. The way men have twisted it is what is wrong.
As it is not wrong. It is right. No need of interpretation of that Greek “and God was the word” just read it plain.
Yes, read it plain from the original Greek language which says, word for word, "and god was the word." No article is there, but there is before "he was in the beginning with the god."
Yes, Jesus (the word) was in the beginning with God(theos), and God(theos) was Jesus (the word made flesh). John 1:14.
The original Greek when read plain proves that Jesus is God.

Jhn 1:1 In  the beginning   was  the  word,  and   the   word  was  with   God,   and  God   was the  word.

The Word created everything in the beginning, not Jesus:

John 1:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Jesus is the Word made flesh, and did not exist until John 1:14


John 1:14

And the Word (God) was made flesh (as Jesus), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)


So the Word (God) created everything in the beginning.

The man Jesus did not exist until about 2024 years ago.

You're equating God with a man, which borders on blasphemy:

John 10:33
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

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