JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1795]

Would someone be so kind as to respond to the points in post #1?

Your point #4, Pharisees will argue your reasoning then.

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

Why honor the reasoning of the Pharisees? They were wrong if they considered Jesus had blasphemed. And anyway, they really knew that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not actually God. They said, when he was being crucified, "He has put his trust in God; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, 'I am God's Son'" (Matthew 27: 43). So to say that he claimed to be God is not true. They were just giving him a hard time. They knew he was from God and not God, but they wanted to (falsely) blame him of blasphemy to try and get rid of him.

You are just under-estimating the Pharisees, they are Doctors of Law. They understand what Jesus was doing.
And they better understand what they were saying, than us interpreting otherwise.

Acts 5:34
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
KJV

Luke 5:17
17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
KJV

Then it doesn't bother you that they counselled together to kill him? It doesn't bother you that the "trial" he was subjected to was illegal according to their own rules? Have you read Matthew the 23rd chapter? Doesn't any of this wake you up to the evil craftiness of the Pharisees?

It's happened because they cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah. Yes, they were hypocrites.
But they better understand the verse you quote (John 10:36), As Jesus said, I am the Son of God.
They understand that dogs breeds dogs (puppies), cat breeds cats (kittens). If this is true.
The same logic that as Son of God, is God. Why this cannot be true to you?
But see the wisdom of Pharisee Gamaliel. (Acts 5:38 and 39)

Acts 5:38-39
38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing;
39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it — lest you even be found to fight against God."
NKJV

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1795]

Would someone be so kind as to respond to the points in post #1?

Your point #4, Pharisees will argue your reasoning then.

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

Why honor the reasoning of the Pharisees? They were wrong if they considered Jesus had blasphemed. And anyway, they really knew that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not actually God. They said, when he was being crucified, "He has put his trust in God; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, 'I am God's Son'" (Matthew 27: 43). So to say that he claimed to be God is not true. They were just giving him a hard time. They knew he was from God and not God, but they wanted to (falsely) blame him of blasphemy to try and get rid of him.

You are just under-estimating the Pharisees, they are Doctors of Law. They understand what Jesus was doing.
And they better understand what they were saying, than us interpreting otherwise.

Acts 5:34
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
KJV

Luke 5:17
17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
KJV

Then it doesn't bother you that they counselled together to kill him? It doesn't bother you that the "trial" he was subjected to was illegal according to their own rules? Have you read Matthew the 23rd chapter? Doesn't any of this wake you up to the evil craftiness of the Pharisees?

It's happened because they cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah. Yes, they were hypocrites.
But they better understand the verse you quote (John 10:36), As Jesus said, I am the Son of God.
They understand that dogs breeds dogs (puppies), cat breeds cats (kittens). If this is true.
The same logic that as Son of God, is God. Why this cannot be true to you?
But see the wisdom of Pharisee Gamaliel. (Acts 5:38 and 39)

Acts 5:38-39
38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing;
39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it — lest you even be found to fight against God."
NKJV

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV

They "better understand" John 10:36? Did they better understand that Jesus was possessed by a demon when they said to him, "Now we do know that you have a demon!" (John 8:52) Was their understanding correct?

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1795]

Would someone be so kind as to respond to the points in post #1?

Your point #4, Pharisees will argue your reasoning then.

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

Why honor the reasoning of the Pharisees? They were wrong if they considered Jesus had blasphemed. And anyway, they really knew that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not actually God. They said, when he was being crucified, "He has put his trust in God; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, 'I am God's Son'" (Matthew 27: 43). So to say that he claimed to be God is not true. They were just giving him a hard time. They knew he was from God and not God, but they wanted to (falsely) blame him of blasphemy to try and get rid of him.

You are just under-estimating the Pharisees, they are Doctors of Law. They understand what Jesus was doing.
And they better understand what they were saying, than us interpreting otherwise.

Acts 5:34
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
KJV

Luke 5:17
17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
KJV

Then it doesn't bother you that they counselled together to kill him? It doesn't bother you that the "trial" he was subjected to was illegal according to their own rules? Have you read Matthew the 23rd chapter? Doesn't any of this wake you up to the evil craftiness of the Pharisees?

It's happened because they cannot accept Jesus as the Messiah. Yes, they were hypocrites.
But they better understand the verse you quote (John 10:36), As Jesus said, I am the Son of God.
They understand that dogs breeds dogs (puppies), cat breeds cats (kittens). If this is true.
The same logic that as Son of God, is God. Why this cannot be true to you?
But see the wisdom of Pharisee Gamaliel. (Acts 5:38 and 39)

Acts 5:38-39
38 And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing;
39 but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it — lest you even be found to fight against God."
NKJV

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV

They "better understand" John 10:36? Did they better understand that Jesus was possessed by a demon when they said to him, "Now we do know that you have a demon!" (John 8:52) Was their understanding correct?

You did no address the logic below, Why? (I numbered it)

But they better understand the verse you quote (John 10:36), As Jesus said, I am the Son of God.
1. They understand that dogs breeds dogs (puppies), cat breeds cats (kittens). I know you agree with this, won't you?
2. Jesus as "Son of man" you accept Jesus is man because His mother is Mary.(human)
3. Jesus as "Son of God", could the same logic be applied? Why not?

[William]

[onewithhim]

Jehovah's Witnesses were not "silenced" as if they could see your point was true. They just didn't want to stand there and argue. They were looking for people who want to know the truth.

[William]

Jehovah's Witnesses were not "silenced" as if they could see your point was true. They just didn't want to stand there and argue. They were looking for people who want to know their truth.

FTFY

[onewithhim]

Jehovah's Witnesses were not "silenced" as if they could see your point was true. They just didn't want to stand there and argue. They were looking for people who want to know the truth.

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?

Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1807]

What does FTFY mean?

Did you see the whole of it?
What JW arguments that wasn't answered?
Especially "the word of the Lord" was explained quite well.

What arguments were not answered? The word of Jehovah is Jesus.