Forsaken, yet he forgave, but one.

[placebofactor]

Why do you think Jesus forgave Peter and the others for "forsaking him," and not Judas? Mark 14:50, "And they (the disciples) all forsook him and fled." "Forsook" means to quit, to forsake, to abandon.

[placebofactor]

Peace to you,

Peace to you all,

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

1213 is correct - the others may have fled, but Judas betrayed Christ.

However, that doesn't mean Christ has not forgiven Judas. Judas clearly realized he did a terrible wrong - enough that he killed himself over what he had done. My understanding is that Christ has forgiven him. Regardless, it is between them.


Peace again.

Hi Tam, hope you had a happy and safe Fourth of July.

Thank you Placebofactor (though the northern equivalent - quiet and safe July 1 - Canada Day for me).

I was under the impression that suicide was murder.

I'm not sure who came up with that (and then later went on to falsely teach people that suicide is an unforgivable sin.) I wish those people had understood mercy a little more than what it seems they did.

But suicide and murder are not the same thing. There are other people who committed suicide in what is written and I don't see where it is ever described as murder. And in the case of a modern murder-suicide - we use both words because they are not the same.

Nowhere do I see where Jesus cast the devil out of Judas. Jesus, praying to his Father, said in John 17:12, "I kept them (the disciples) in thy name: those that thou gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost (destroyed) but the son of perdition (Judas); that the scripture might be fulfilled."

It is interesting that you mention that the devil was not cast out of Judas; I hadn't thought of it before. Because it is not my understanding that Judas is the son of destruction.

However, the devil (the one called Satan; the Adversary)... is the son of the destroyer. So I find that interesting.

The 'man of lawlessness' who was yet to be revealed (from 2 Thess 2:3), is also described as "the son of destruction", exactly the same as at John 17:12. And that could not have been Judas.

In any case, the judgment has not yet occurred.

The word "Lost" John uses: Greek to English Lexicon, Lost here speaks of eternal death, to perish eternally, as to be deprived of eternal life. The word is also used in Luke 13:3-5, John 3:15-16, 10:28, Romans 2:12, 1 Corinthians 8:11, 15:18, 2 Peter 3:9

For the most part, I would agree with that... although I noticed when looking it up that 'lost' in 'the lost sheep of Israel' (Matt 15:24;18:11) is the same word as well. And we know that 'lost' did not mean eternal destruction in that cases, or what would have been the point in Christ going to 'the lost sheep of Israel'?

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat ... onc_944024


Just some things to consider perhaps.


Peace again to you.

That is correct. It's spoken of those who wander away and are lost, as in sheep straying in the desert. And Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd," and when he came to save the lost sheep, we can count on one hand the number of sheep that heard his voice and came to his light. He also said, "Narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it."