Would you kill for god?

[McCulloch]

If you belive the bible, god has directed people to kill others, both individually (Abraham) and collectively (Joshua).
So, if god asked you to kill someone, would you?
How would you be sure that he really wants you to do it, after all he has asked it before of others?

[topaz]

Your God is a confusing fellow.

That is something we should all be able to agree on.
The ones that scare me are the ones that think the got God all figured out.

Understanding scripture is a gift from God. No, i cannot ever dream of understanding God. He's infinite and so deep. I, on the other hand, am only a creature He made .... nothing ... that's me.

[Cathar1950]

Your God is a confusing fellow.

That is something we should all be able to agree on.
The ones that scare me are the ones that think the got God all figured out.

Understanding scripture is a gift from God. No, i cannot ever dream of understanding God. He's infinite and so deep. I, on the other hand, am only a creature He made .... nothing ... that's me.

It is hard to argue with that reasoning.

[Ronin]

Every living thing dies. That being said, I would have to say yes!If I knew that God was the one that told me to do so. The question is very sneeky,it is a classic athiest trick. Put one in a moral dillema. God is God therefore I would have to believe that he knows what he is doing. Abraham knew this, thats why he didn't question it. I like how you quoted bible verses to make your point. I seem to remember satan did the same thing to Jesus.

[McCulloch]

Every living thing dies. That being said, I would have to say yes! If I knew that God was the one that told me to do so.

How would you determine if it was God who told you to do so? Check it out in His Word? Do not suffer a witch to live ... Stone to death a rebellious son ...
Or is there some other way that you can tell authentic communications from God from false ones?

The question is very sneeky [sneaky], it is a classic athiest [atheist] trick. Put one in a moral dillema [dilemma].

Good to see that you are one of the sharp ones who won't be fooled by my classic trick. Ever hear of the Euthyphro dilemma?

God is God therefore I would have to believe that he knows what he is doing. Abraham knew this, that's why he didn't question it.

Don't limit yourself to Abraham. In Judges, chapter 20, the LORD himself sanctioned the killing of tens of thousands from the tribe of Benjamin. The tribe of Benjamin was nearly wiped out. Only a few hundred men survived. Other atrocities then followed which provided new wives for the men of the tribe of Benjamin, so that the tribe would continue.

I like how you quoted bible verses to make your point. I seem to remember satan did the same thing to Jesus.

Yes, believers and non-believers all have access to the holy writings of the Christian faith. But unlike the fictional Satan, I am not trying to deceive. You don't have to believe me on that, I expect you might not. It matters little in debate.

[Cathar1950]

Just say no!

Abraham is an interesting story. Depending on the tradition or story he either did or did not sacrifice him. Some have him being brought back to life.
Now the gods ('elohim') tell him to sacrifice his son then at the last minute an Angel of YHWH stops him. Who you going to believe the Angel of YHWH or the 'elohim'?
I did read one theory by some guy name Pope that it was a rite that he performed to make his son the son of the Pharaoh, his real father.
I think it is a mistake to use the bible as a guide to behavior or morality.

[kiwimac]

No!

[Furrowed Brow]

Even if I believed in God, and certain it was God asking me to kill my own son, and it was made quite clear that I'd burn in hell for eternity for refusing God, I still would not contemplate killing my own son.

Or if God frightened me so much I did fleetingly contemplate following his orders, I could never forgive myself and would carry the guilt with me for the rest of my life/eternal life.

I'd probably struggle to look my son in the eyes again.


The Abrahamic faiths have a black heart.

[Cathar1950]

Even if I believed in God, and certain it was God asking me to kill my own son, and it was made quite clear that I'd burn in hell for eternity for refusing God, I still would not contemplate killing my own son.

Or if God frightened me so much I did fleetingly contemplate following his orders, I could never forgive myself and would carry the guilt with me for the rest of my life/eternal life.

I'd probably struggle to look my son in the eyes again.


The Abrahamic faiths have a black heart.

No person in their right mind would unless they were sick. It seems maybe the world isn't really getting worse. Granted it is complicated. But in Abraham's time in was a common practice and was done even up to the so-called exile if not after.
Isn't war killing your kids? All God-fearers would consider war a less worthy demand then obeying God. Are we ay less tragic then poor old Abraham?

I tend to think it is a story of ancient heroes written for a people a good 1000 years after the time of Abraham from stories over 1000 before Abraham. Even the "righteousness" poorly understood today, happens at least three times to old Abraham. It has a broad range of meanings and form the writing your not sure who is the one that is counted "rightous". It is meant to instill obedience with a tragic story.
Abraham is a story that has been told and retold that gave people a sense of belonging history and with a tragic example of obedience to a God that was not understandable from diverse stories that were half forgotten by many people that were forging an identity and history.
Happy Thanksgiving!

[conus]

[quote="Cmass"]Would I kill for God?

[Greatest I Am]

If God is directing, I must follow.
I would kill in a flash. If the directive came from God.

Regards
DL