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The Existence of jinns

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I would like to talk seriously about the jinn exists not only for atheists but for jewish and christians too
I will talk about

1 - Existence
2- Abilities
3- Occult Activities of the Jinn
4- Protection from the Jinn

and any thing in this subject will be from sheikh IBRAHIM who helped me to tell you any thing about the jinn

Throughout history man has always had a deep attraction for the supernatural and the unseen. The existence of a world parallel to our own has always fascinated people. This world is commonly referred to as the spirit world, and almost every set of people have some concept of one. With some people, these spirits are no more then the souls of dead people- or ghosts. With others, spirits are either the forces of good or the forces of evil - both battling against one another to gain influence over humanity. However, both of these explanations are more in tune with folk tales and fantasy. The true explanation of such a world comes from Islam. Like every other way, Islam also claims to explain this realm of the unseen. It is from this realm that Islam explains to us about the world of the Jinn. The Islamic explanation of the Jinn provides us with so many answers to modem day mysteries. Without the knowledge of this world, the Muslims would become like the non-Muslims and be running around looking for any old answer to come their way. So, who or what are the Jinn?

sheikh ibrahim site ww.thereligionofislam.com you can ask him any thing
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Is that all of it, or just the introduction?









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Re: The Existence of jinns

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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:I would like to talk seriously about the jinn exists not only for atheists but for jewish and christians too
I will talk about

1 - Existence
2- Abilities
3- Occult Activities of the Jinn
4- Protection from the Jinn

and any thing in this subject will be from sheikh IBRAHIM who helped me to tell you any thing about the jinn

Throughout history man has always had a deep attraction for the supernatural and the unseen. The existence of a world parallel to our own has always fascinated people. This world is commonly referred to as the spirit world, and almost every set of people have some concept of one. With some people, these spirits are no more then the souls of dead people- or ghosts. With others, spirits are either the forces of good or the forces of evil - both battling against one another to gain influence over humanity. However, both of these explanations are more in tune with folk tales and fantasy. The true explanation of such a world comes from Islam. Like every other way, Islam also claims to explain this realm of the unseen. It is from this realm that Islam explains to us about the world of the Jinn. The Islamic explanation of the Jinn provides us with so many answers to modem day mysteries. Without the knowledge of this world, the Muslims would become like the non-Muslims and be running around looking for any old answer to come their way. So, who or what are the Jinn?

sheikh ibrahim site ww.thereligionofislam.com you can ask him any thing
(live chat)

So, a cut and paste from a web site, an introduction at that, yet, no jinn.

Ok.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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sheikh ibrahim wanted me to do that he said he will give me a small essay every day

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The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to mankind. The Arabic word Jinn is from the verb ‘Janna’ which means to hide or conceal. Thus, they are physically invisible from man as their description suggests. This invisibility is one of the reasons why some people have denied their existence. However, (as will be seen) the affect which the world of the Jinn has upon our world, is enough to refute this modern denial of one of God’s creation. The origins of the Jinn can be traced from the Quran and the Sunnah. God says:

“Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire” (Quran 15:26-27)

Thus the Jinn were created before man. As for their physical origin, then the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, has confirmed the above verse when he said:

“The Angels were created from light and the Jinn from smokeless fire.” (Saheeh Muslim)

It is this description of the Jinn which tells us so much about them. Because they were created from fire, their nature has generally been fiery and thus their relationship with man has been built upon this. Like humans, they too are required to worship God and follow Islam. Their purpose in life is exactly the same as ours, as God says:

“I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me.” (Quran 51:56)

Jinns can thus be Muslims or non-Muslims. However, due to their fiery nature the majority of them are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Jinns form a part of the army of the most famous Jinn, Satan[1]. Consequently, these disbelieving Jinns are also called devils. Jinns also become Muslims, as they did in the time of the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, when a group of them were amazed by the recitation of the Quran. God orders the Prophet to tell the people of this event:

“Say (O’ Muhammed): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; ‘Indeed we have heard a marvelous Quran. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our lord’.”(Quran 72:1-2)

In many aspects of their world, the Jinn are very similar to us. They eat and drink, they marry, have children and they die. The life span however, is far greater then ours. Like us, they will also be subject to a Final Reckoning by God the Most High. They will be present with mankind on the Day of Judgment and will either go to Paradise or Hell.

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That which clearly distinguishes the Jinn from mankind, are their powers and abilities. God has given them these powers as a test for them. If they oppress others with them, then they will be held accountable. By knowing of their powers, we can often make sense of much of the mysteries which go on around us. One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else. Thousands of people have sighted strange looking creatures all over the world - and it seems more plausible all the sightings of such creatures may have been Jinns parading in different forms.

The ability to possess and take over the minds and bodies of other creatures is also a power which the Jinn have utilized greatly over the centuries. This however, is something which has been prohibited to them as it is a great oppression to possess another being. Human possession is something which has always brought about great attention. But the true knowledge of this subject is rare. Over the last 3 decades the subject of possession has become very commercialized. During the 70’s, films such as The Exorcist and Rosemary’s Baby were used to educate people about possession. However, because such institutions (the film industry) were heavily influenced by Christianity, knowledge of the subject was non-existent. Rather then educate people about Jinn possession, films such as The Exorcist just tended to scare the living daylights out of us!

Only through Islam can we understand such a phenomena. We know as Muslims, that Jinns possess people for many reasons. Sometimes it is because the Jinn or its family has been hurt accidentally. It could be because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person. However, most of the time possession occurs because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason we have been commanded to recite the Quran frequently in our houses as the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, said:

“Indeed, Satan flees from the house in which Surah Al-Baqarah (the 2nd chapter of the Quran) is recited.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

If a person does become possessed, then the name of God has to be used in expelling the Jinn. If we look at the practice of the Prophet and his companions, we find many invocations to exorcise the Jinn. All of them invoke God to help the possessed person. How contrary this is to many modern-day exorcists. Many exorcists, often invoke the names of others besides God to exorcise the Jinn. When the Jinn does leave, these people believe that their way was successful. However, this is a ploy of the Jinn, as it knows that if it obeys the exorcist, then it has succeeded in making him worship others besides God. The Jinn often returns when the exorcist leaves, as it knows that nothing except the words of God can stop it from oppressing others.

It is not only humans which are possessed, but also animals, trees and other objects. By doing this, the evil Jinn hope to make people worship others besides God. The possession of idols is one way to do this. Not so long ago the world-wide phenomenon of Hindu idols drinking milk, shocked the world. From Bombay to London, Delhi to California, countless idols were lapping up milk. Ganesh the elephant god, Hanuman the monkey god and even Shiva lingam, the male private organ (!), all seemed to guzzle down the milk as if there was no tomorrow! Unfortunately people were taken in by this and many flocked to feed the Hindu gods. This feat was undoubtedly done by the Jinn as a classic attempt to make people worship false gods.

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GOAT

do you want me to tell you my self about the jinn exists ! ?

oh com on man !

you just want the evidence of the jinn exists

Is that what you want ?

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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:GOAT

do you want me to tell you my self about the jinn exists ! ?

oh com on man !

you just want the evidence of the jinn exists

Is that what you want ?
Well, I see your defined what the belief in Jinn are.

I saw an excorcism, which shows how placebo's and faith work togather.

But, that isn't evidence of Jinn.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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OK answer these questions please

- How can magicians walk in water or how can they cut their selves into 2 parts ?
- sometimes we hear sounds in midnight ,, what is that ?
- when they hurt a person ,, why we can help him by reading curaan ?
- THUNDERS why we see thunders in rainy nights ?
- we can hear or see somethings in old houses ,, what is that ?

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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:OK answer these questions please

- How can magicians walk in water or how can they cut their selves into 2 parts ?
Are you serious? Does the term 'optical illusion' mean anything to you? No? How about 'sleight of hand'? 'Prestidigitation'? 'Smoke and mirrors'? 'Illusion'? 'Misdirection?' Is David Copperfield a harnesser of Djinn, in your opinion?
- sometimes we hear sounds in midnight ,, what is that ?
Uh...you mean night time? Bats, owls, foxes, rabbits, snails, slugs, rats, mice, cats, dogs, stoats, snakes, lizards, cars, trains, planes, the wind in the trees, the wind in the grass, rain, floorboards expanding or contracting, central heating, air conditioning, snoring, people having sex, people arguing, babies crying...and so on. Why? What do you think it is?
- when they hurt a person ,, why we can help him by reading curaan?
I put it to you that the person is not being hurt by Djinn, and that reading the Qur'an does not help them.

- THUNDERS why we see thunders in rainy nights ?
Thunder is the noise. Lightning is the visible phenomenon. It can be seen during the day as well as at night, and sometimes during the eruption of a volcano. Lightning is an electrical discharge. It is a natural phenomenon. Here is a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
- we can hear or see somethings in old houses ,, what is that ?
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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:OK answer these questions please
Wow. Are people really this superstitious where you are from? :blink: We are in the 21st century AD now, not 21st century BC.
- How can magicians walk in water or how can they cut their selves into 2 parts ?
These things have been proven time and time again to be tricks. Have you ever seen any of those shows on TV, that expose these tricks? They are very clever, but definitely not magic.
- sometimes we hear sounds in midnight ,, what is that ?
Natural sounds as Fallibleone has pointed out. Do you know that wood expands and shrinks when temperatures and humidity change, causing noises?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _n25016290


Also when people claim to be visited by supernatural beings at night, I have to seriously wonder whether they were simply dreaming. Dreams can be very convincing, you know.
- when they hurt a person ,, why we can help him by reading curaan ?
If anyone is hurt by a jinn (which I very much doubt - I have never come across anyone who has), then it could be more the power of positive thinking that causes the healing. i.e believing without a doubt that the curaan... or Allah can heal you.

Have you ever experienced anything like this first hand? Or are you going by stories you have heard? Heresay?
- THUNDERS why we see thunders in rainy nights ?
This is stuff you learn in school as a kid. I'm sure Fallibleone's link will educate you there.
- we can hear or see somethings in old houses ,, what is that ?
Are you talking about at night when you're tucked up in your bed, sound asleep and you have a really vivid dream and wake up believing you just experienced something supernatural?

Do you know that old houses naturally creak a lot more with the many years of aging, with the wood expanding and shrinking due to temperature and other factors?

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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