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Post #1The Islamic view of Jesus lies between two extremes. The Jews, who rejected Jesus as a prophet, called him an imposter, while the Christians, on the other hand, considered him to be the son of God and worship him as such. Islam considers Jesus to be one of the greatest and most forbearing of prophets, in addition to Noah, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad, may God praise them. Jesus is also considered to be the Messiah as well. This is in conformity with the Islamic view of the Oneness of God, the Oneness of Divine guidance, and the complementary role of the subsequent mission of God’s messengers.
The message of God to humanity, which is to worship God and God alone and to live according to His instruction, was revealed to Adam (peace be upon him), who passed it on to his children. All the subsequent revelations to Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and, finally, Muhammad are in conformity with that message. Thus, Islam views any contradictions among revealed religions as man-made elements introduced into these religions. The position of Jesus in the three major creeds- Judaism, Christianity, and Islam- is not an exception.
Although the Quran does not present a detailed life-story of Jesus, it highlights the important aspects of his birth, his mission, his ascension to heaven. It also passes judgment on the Christian and Jewish beliefs concerning him. We will look at some of the truths which God revealed about Jesus in the Quran.
Born of a Virgin Mother
Like Christians, Muslims believe that Mary, Maria in Spanish, or Maryam as she is called in Arabic, was a chaste, virgin woman, who miraculously gave birth to Jesus. Jesus’ birth in itself was a miracle in that he had no father. God describes his birth in the Quran as follows:
“And mention in the Book (the Quran), Mary, when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east. She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her a spirit from Us, (the angel Gabriel), and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects. She said: ‘Verily, I seek refuge with the Most Gracious (God) from you, if you do fear God.’ (The angel) said: ‘I am only a messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.’ She said: ‘How can I have a son, when no man hath touched me, nor am I unchaste?’ He said: ‘So (it will be), your Lord said That is easy for Me (God): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (God), and it is a matter (already) decreed (by God).’” (Quran 19:16-21)
This fact, however, does not necessitate that Jesus is divine in essence or spirit, nor is he worthy of worship, for Adam’s existence was more miraculous than that of Jesus. If his miraculous birth were a proof that Jesus was God incarnate or His son, then Adam would have more right over this divinity than him. Rather, both are prophets who were inspired with revelation from God Almighty, and both were servants to Him living according to His commandments.
“Indeed, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, then He said to him: ‘Be!’ and he was.’” (Quran 3:59)
Miracles
Muslims, like Christians believe that Jesus performed miracles. These miracles were performed by the will and permission of God, Who has power and control over all things.
“Then will God say: ‘O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favor to you and to your mother. Behold! I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit (the angel Gabriel) so that you did speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. And behold: you make out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and you breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by My leave, and you heal those born blind, and the lepers by My leave. And behold! You bring forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to you) when you did show them the Clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: ‘This is nothing but evident magic.’” (Quran 5:110)
God sent all prophets with miracles specific to the nation to whom they were sent to prove the veracity of their message. These miracles were not performed of their own accord; rather, they were only manifest in their hands by God's will. The miracles performed by Jesus were no different. The Jews were well advanced in the field of medicine, and the miracles which Jesus brought were of this nature, proving the truth of His message and in order to convince the Jews.
Post #91
yes science does, but atheist scholes are just to closed minded to believe it. Atheist scholers proven it but failed to realise that science asnswers against what they think sciense answers. Plus they believe what iv just said is wrong. But where is my proof --read the QURAN FOR GODS SAKE! Not only read it ask god to make it easy for you guys to understand it!
mar
again forgive me for what i have said offensive
piont to some work for you to look at? Look at the quran! Then look at science! You will realise the truth.
mar
again forgive me for what i have said offensive
piont to some work for you to look at? Look at the quran! Then look at science! You will realise the truth.
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Post #92
Where does science say that? Show me a peer reviewed paper that says that.mar wrote:who created god?
Well Science proves what God was there just by existence.
What atheist scientists have proven is that there must be an ultimate unchangeable stable creater for the cause to the effect.
And thats god.
Or.. by any chance, is that an unsupported assertion?
Well, show me a peer reviewed biology paper on evolution that says we came from monkeys. The correct terminology would be 'monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor'. That is what the evidence shows. And evolution does not worry about the 'big bang'.
ok say you were right that humans evolved by monkeys. Then where did monkeys come from--single cells organisms--whered they come from--it was part of earth --earth came from bibbang--what coused the bigbang---oh! was this the unchangeable stable creater--no! it aint stable and unchangeable--so all proofs lead to god--god was the couse. In science there is always a couse and that is left of it!
forgive me for what i have said offensively.
salaam
mar
You didn't say anything offensively, you said them ignorantly. There is a difference. You are making unsupported assertions, contradictory assertions, and then you are also misrepresenting what science says about biology and what it says about cosmology.
And, none of this says a word about the view of Jesus in Islam..
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #93
Evelution come from monkeys... lol no i meant apes. And yes this does have something to do with the big bang becaus ethe current topic is god. So im talking about the start of evolution the couse of it-- which scientists believe that the couse is the bigbang.goat wrote:Where does science say that? Show me a peer reviewed paper that says that.mar wrote:who created god?
Well Science proves what God was there just by existence.
What atheist scientists have proven is that there must be an ultimate unchangeable stable creater for the cause to the effect.
And thats god.
Or.. by any chance, is that an unsupported assertion?
Well, show me a peer reviewed biology paper on evolution that says we came from monkeys. The correct terminology would be 'monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor'. That is what the evidence shows. And evolution does not worry about the 'big bang'.
ok say you were right that humans evolved by monkeys. Then where did monkeys come from--single cells organisms--whered they come from--it was part of earth --earth came from bibbang--what coused the bigbang---oh! was this the unchangeable stable creater--no! it aint stable and unchangeable--so all proofs lead to god--god was the couse. In science there is always a couse and that is left of it!
forgive me for what i have said offensively.
salaam
mar
You didn't say anything offensively, you said them ignorantly. There is a difference. You are making unsupported assertions, contradictory assertions, and then you are also misrepresenting what science says about biology and what it says about cosmology.
And, none of this says a word about the view of Jesus in Islam..
Give you somepapers--this aint in papers. Science is never from the start in papers, science is from thoughs and assumptions--then once its proven its down in papers--and yes its proven--my papers--the quran. Once you read the quran and then look at science in prespective that there must be a ultimate creater,its common sense to realise. Plus its supported in the quran. Want support, you read the quran.
I see you dont get what i mean by saying offensively. SAYING SOMETHING THAT IS OFFENSIVE IS ALWAYS SAID WHETHER I SAY IT WITH KNOWING IT OR WITH NOT KNOW IT WOULD HURT PEOPLE. SAYING IT IGNORRENTLY IS THE SAME THING. You said im saying something that is not supported. Yes it is! IN THE QURAN! stop going in circles! Misunderstanding of biology. Where is your proof! My proof is in the quran and you fail to look at my proof and say what i am saying is wrong.
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I have indeed touched the Qu'ran. You'll find a post by me saying that I own a copy. You see this is how misinformation starts. You have made the assumption, without doing the decent thing of asking me first. If you believe that no one who has read it could ever see it as anything other than the word of Allah, you've got an ex-Muslim here in Pazuzu to prove your argument false. I doubt that will stop you from using it though.mar wrote:Our holy book doesnt? Have you even touched the quran?!!! How can you believe in shuch lies when you havent even read the quran for your self!!!Fallibleone wrote:Islam certainly offers AN answer, just not the correct one.
And no, I don't know very much. Nor do you. I admit it though. You don't know the answers to these questions either. Your holy book does NOT give you special insight into how things really are.
Oh good. Examples, please.And by the what you said is actually proven wrong by many atheist scholers.
I'm ignorant of many things. There are so many different things to learn about. You'll find you're ignorant of a great deal too.Im not suprised for your ignorence because you just admited you aint know much--no wander you are folling under the wrong path...
Once again, I'm quite disturbed by the fact that you see the ready addmittance that I do not have all the answers as a weakness. Personally I find it weak that someone has to make like they know stuff because they read about God in a book. You might know what it says in the book, but your real knowledge of the existence or non-existence of God remains exactly the same as mine, whether you admit it or not.
Yeah it's weird how atheists decline to admit the existence of things for which there is no proof.Anywaqys you said that you dont know the start of these things. Well according to the laws of science, all things must have and ultimate unchangeble and stable creater. (Note most muslim debaters have challenged atheist debaters to admit this was god, but yet failed) So their we go their is a couse for the existence of animals and humans.
No. The Qu'ran tells you all sorts of things that you decide to accept as the word of God.God himself tells us in the quran that mankind is not to be ignorrent for that is the way to astray.
Oh dear. I don't worship anyone or anything and certainly not myself. It is possible not to worship anything. I think that I'm no better and no worse than you are. I think we are all valuable and worthwhile human beings. I do not place myself above all others. Your characterisation of me is wrong. Why didn't you ask me if I worshipped myself instead of making an assumption based on little evidence? I see a pattern emerging.No wonder you are worshiping your self.
Are you making assumptions without asking me first again? Why would you do that?You said you dont know much-- then why are you debating!!!! If you dont know much about islam, by not reading the quran, why are you wasting your time on forums. You said islams' answer is incorrect. How do you know when you havent even read GOD's words (the Quran)!!!!!
It is not a requirement of this forum that we must all be experts on any or all of the world's religions. I have every right to be here and to debate. If you had read some of my posts you will see that I know a fair amount about Islam, although nowhere near everything. No doubt you will be asking COVERTED TO ISLAM why he/she is debating a religion which he/she has only been a member of for one year.
Cirular arguments are a speciality of religious apologists.And yes the convert does know the answer to these question. He gave you the answers on his previose posts, you guys just keep going in circles in excuse to either read the quran or believe in GOD.
I'm not in misery. I believe you are a valuable and worthwhile human being, even though you are not so keen on me. Are you sure my heart is dark?Shead some light to your heart and wake up from misery.
It's really depressing that theists need to believe that there is some purpose to their existence to make it worthwhile.Oh and in your post when you said you dont know how you guys exist. You just proven again just as the same mistakes other atheist scholers (sichberg, etc), that histroy itself has no mean. Sad. sad that you believe your existence has no meaning. Sad that you believe you were made by accident (refurring to the bigbang) Sad that you guys believes something comes from nothing. That just cracks the laws of science. And thats what makes it sad. That you guys just leave out the parts of science that prove god. Science proves god. Thats why god made science.
Hatred? Where on earth did you get that from? I don't hate anyone - I can say that with complete honesty. I suggest you stop making unfounded statements.How bout open some urge for the truth rather then hatred to find god and the truth.
An opinion which is no more valuable than any other.That is why god aint helping you to reallise your mistakes. You guys are in darkness, and wont come out till you all make an intention to find the the truth and escape ignorrence. If you did already, then you would go to the quran and find all the answers (that have not been proven wrong buy many atheist scholers) to all you questions.
So - if you please - I'd like to see some evidence that the Qu'ran is from Allah and that Allah exists....WITHOUT quoting directly from the book itself.
Surely your God is the only one who can do that.Forgive iof i have said something offensive to anyone
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Post #97
I would say
I'd like to see some evidence that the Qu'ran is from Allah and that Allah exists....WITHOUT quoting directly from the book itself.
''''What I am is good enough if I can only be it openly.''''
''''The man said "why you think you here?" I said "I got no idea".''''
''''Je viens comme un chat
Par la nuit si noire.
Tu attends, et je tombe
Dans tes ailes blanches,
Et je vole,
Et je coule
Comme une plume.''''
''''The man said "why you think you here?" I said "I got no idea".''''
''''Je viens comme un chat
Par la nuit si noire.
Tu attends, et je tombe
Dans tes ailes blanches,
Et je vole,
Et je coule
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Post #98
you will never know about allah exists but when you use your head to think about that and when you know the tafseer (explaining) of the quraan meanings to know why allah said any ayahFallibleone wrote:I would sayI'd like to see some evidence that the Qu'ran is from Allah and that Allah exists....WITHOUT quoting directly from the book itself.
so use your brain to answer your questions
i think you must answer these questions
1- who created the first person in the world?
2- who created the first animal (chimpanzees or monkeys ...etc) ?
3- if mohammed (pbuh) can not read or write so who wrote quraan?
4- if there was a creator so why we created ?
answer these questions by using your mind not random answers please
think about the answers before you write them
if you need any help just tell me i will do my best for you
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Post #99
I made a post about this very topic. How about you read it and comment? By the way, the sections on how Muhammad COULD read I have quoted directly from sahih ahadîth: supposedly ‘authentic’ traditions of Muhammad in which all mu’min muslimuun (believing muslims) must have faith. If you deny the validity of those ahadîth then mainstream Islâm will refer to you as a منکرِحدیث (munkar–e–hadîth), and scholars have stated this takes you beyond the pale of Islâm.CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:3- if mohammed (pbuh) can not read or write so who wrote quraan?
I do not believe in god so I read it for my own sake. I have read it plenty of times, in a variety of languages (‘Arabi, English and Urdu) and ALLÂH doesn’t seem to have much more knowledge than a 7th Century Desert Man. Strange, that…mar wrote:where is my proof --read the QURAN FOR GODS SAKE! Not only read it ask god to make it easy for you guys to understand it!
As for the fact you present that as proof, I dismiss it as irrelevant. You stated that atheist scientists have proven the existence of god. So please refer to peer–reviewed studies and reports by atheist scientists supporting your viewpoint please!
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Post #100
Might i ask why you aint want evidence from what god says from himself. There is all proof and evidence in the quran, do you deny it. If we qoute on the evidence in the quran that makes it clear to prove we are right, will you deny.Fallibleone wrote:I would sayI'd like to see some evidence that the Qu'ran is from Allah and that Allah exists....WITHOUT quoting directly from the book itself.
Here is surat al rahman (Chapter 55) Yusaf ali translation
1. ((Allah)) Most Gracious!
2. It is He Who has taught the Qur'an.
3. He has created man:
4. He has taught him speech (and intelligence).
5. The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed;
6. And the herbs and the trees - both (alike) bow in adoration.
7. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice),
8. In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance.
9. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
10. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:
11. Therein is fruit and date-palms, producing spathes (enclosing dates);
12. Also corn, with (its) leaves and stalk for fodder, and sweet-smelling plants.
13. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
14. He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery,
15. And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
16. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
17. (He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:
18. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
19. He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:
20. Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:
21. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
22. Out of them come Pearls and Coral:
23. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
24. And His are the Ships sailing smoothly through the seas, lofty as mountains:
25. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
26. All that is on earth will perish:
27. But will abide (for ever) the Face of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.
28. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
29. Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendour doth He (shine)!
30. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
31. oon shall We settle your affairs, O both ye worlds!
32. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
33. O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!
34. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
35. On you will be sent (O ye evil ones twain!) a flame of fire (to burn) and a smoke (to choke): no defence will ye have:
36. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
37. When the sky is rent asunder, and it becomes red like ointment:
38. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
39. On that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin.
40. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
41. (For) the sinners will be known by their marks: and they will be seized by their forelocks and their feet.
42. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
43. This is the Hell which the Sinners deny:
44. In its midst and in the midst of boiling hot water will they wander round
45. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
46. But for such as fear the time when they will stand before (the Judgment Seat of) their Lord, there will be two Gardens-
47. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
48. Containing all kinds (of trees and delights);-
49. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
50. In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free);
51. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
52. In them will be Fruits of every kind, two and two.
53. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
54. They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach).
55. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
56. In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
57. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
58. Like unto Rubies and coral.
59. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
60. Is there any Reward for Good - other than Good?
61. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
62. And besides these two, there are two other Gardens,-
63. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
64. Dark-green in colour (from plentiful watering).
65. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
66. In them (each) will be two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:
67. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
68. In them will be Fruits, and dates and pomegranates:
69. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
70. In them will be fair (Companions), good, beautiful;-
71. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
72. Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;-
73. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
74. Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
75. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
76. Reclining on green Cushions and rich Carpets of beauty.
77. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
78. Blessed be the name of thy Lord, full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.