Jesus is a superior prophet to Mohammed

Argue for and against religions and philosophies which are not Christian

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
Yolande
Sage
Posts: 533
Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:08 pm

Jesus is a superior prophet to Mohammed

Post #1

Post by Yolande »

The Koran agrees that Jesus was born from a virgin and Mohammed was not

The Koran agrees that Jesus did miracles but makes no mention of any miracles Mohammed did

The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie. Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.

The Koran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah and Mohammed is not.

So, from this, it must be concluded that Jesus is a superior prophet than Mohammed.

User avatar
McCulloch
Site Supporter
Posts: 24063
Joined: Mon May 02, 2005 9:10 pm
Location: Toronto, ON, CA
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Jesus is a superior prophet to Mohammed

Post #71

Post by McCulloch »

TheLastProfit wrote: why would a virgin birth make someone a superior prophet?
Adam and Eve!
It was Adam that infected the entire human race when he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Eve ate first but it was Adam that caused the great sin and the male linage corrupted the human race. If a child was born of a virgin mother then he would not be exposed to the faults of Adam.
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus to Timothy, his true child in the faith wrote: For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
1 Timothy 2:13-15 (New American Standard Bible)

The Christian apostle Paul seems to blame the female gender for sin. He, somewhat reluctantly, allows for the continued existence of females, only because they have reproductive value.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John

thunderfbolt
Student
Posts: 85
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:52 am
Location: Oa

Post #72

Post by thunderfbolt »

If a virgin birth signifies the divine, there must be a million sharks, lizards and insects out there which are prophets/gods of their respective species. Please read what parthenogenesis is.

User avatar
TheLastProfit
Newbie
Posts: 2
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:03 am

Post #73

Post by TheLastProfit »

So your saying Mary was a lizard??

thunderfbolt
Student
Posts: 85
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:52 am
Location: Oa

Post #74

Post by thunderfbolt »

TheLastProfit wrote:So your saying Mary was a lizard??
*sigh* L2EnglishComprehension
I said she was a SHARK. /sarcasm

What I am saying is that even if Jesus was conceived without sperm, this occurrence isn't new. There are many animals out there using this method to carry on the species. Parthenogenesis, while not seen in mammals, has been done artificially in the labs.

What is also a problem with Jesus being only Mary's child is that "he" would have been born female, which shows that Jesus must have had a father providing the sperm, hopefully being Joseph or Mary would have been stoned for committing adultery. And if you say nope, it was the Holy Spirit who infused her with the power of God to create Jesus, then he wouldn't have been the son of Joseph and a descendant of King David. Not a true one anyway. And one of the predictions about the Messiah was being the descendant of King David. Of course, there are quite a few other prophecies that he didn't do, claiming that he may not be the messiah at all, but that's for another topic.

WinePusher

Post #75

Post by WinePusher »

obviously there is a huge distinction between Muhammad and Jesus. Mohammed is seen as the illiterate unworthy recipient of Allah's revelation, Jesus is seen as the divine son of God. So the idea of jesus is superior to Muhammud

thunderfbolt
Student
Posts: 85
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:52 am
Location: Oa

Post #76

Post by thunderfbolt »

winepusher wrote:obviously there is a huge distinction between Muhammad and Jesus. Mohammed is seen as the illiterate unworthy recipient of Allah's revelation, Jesus is seen as the divine son of God. So the idea of jesus is superior to Muhammud
Ah... but that's from a Christian perspective. From the Islamic perspective, Muhammad is the restorer of the uncorrupted original monotheistic faith, while Jesus was seen as the prophet precursor to Muhammad.

Humble Bystander
Student
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:05 am

Post #77

Post by Humble Bystander »

The comparison sounds a lot like Batman and Superman. Superman is an alien with superpowers. Batman isn't. Therefore, Superman is a superior superhero.

That being said, nothing is mentioned about their track record of criminals locked up or their efficiency in their job of fighting crime and maintaining peace. But Superman is superior because his background is.

Murad
Guru
Posts: 1216
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:32 am
Location: Australia - Sydney

Post #78

Post by Murad »

WinePusher wrote:obviously there is a huge distinction between Muhammad and Jesus. Mohammed is seen as the illiterate unworthy recipient of Allah's revelation, Jesus is seen as the divine son of God. So the idea of jesus is superior to Muhammud
Sorry but i have to but-in, i noticed you used "unworthy", surely you are no better Judge than Allah on who is worthy and who is not.

Also, Jesus was a carpenter, it would be wrong of me to say "Carpenters are unworthy to be prophets"

Just like it is wrong to say "Muhammad is unworthy because he is illiterate"

I personally do not elevate one prophet over the other, i know some muslims do and i know some christians do, but i feel that is wrong. Let alone elevate one prophet into a God :shock:

Jesus was sent to the tribes of Israel, Muhammad was sent to all mankind. Who has the greater attributes? Yet i still do not say one prophet is superior over another.

Yolande Wrote:
The Koran agrees that Jesus was born from a virgin and Mohammed was not
Oh great? So what are we supposed to worship Adam? He had NO father and NO mother? So that should make him a bigger and greater God?
The Koran agrees that Jesus did miracles but makes no mention of any miracles Mohammed did
You are blatantly wrong, the spliting of the moon, the talking tree is just 2 examples.
The Koran agrees that a prophet can never lie. Jesus called Himself Son of God and even God Himself on many occasions and also accepted worship from people.
Jesus called himself Son of God. So was David the 'Son of God' etc.. Yes Jesus did accept worship, worship also means intense love. "Worship of Money"
Also numerous verses have been added to the Bible, have you read the Standard Revised Bible? You sound like a Christian Fundamentalist, well it might shock you.
The Koran agrees that Jesus is the Messiah and Mohammed is not.
So what? Being the Messiah makes you better over every other prophet?
The Quran says Muhammad(peace be upon him) was the last and final prophet.
So, from this, it must be concluded that Jesus is a superior prophet than Mohammed.
No, Jesus and Muhammad are two different prophets that had different jobs. I don't see how you can even compare the two great men.
Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" without being put to the test?
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.

(Quran 29:2-3)

----
Why Jesus is NOT God
---

van
Apprentice
Posts: 116
Joined: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:24 pm

Post #79

Post by van »

You can't compare Mohammad and Jesus.

Jesus was the message Mohammad was a messanger.

If you were to take both Quran and hadith and the Holy Bible as truth we see that Jesus is the only sinless being ever born and very special even according to the Quran.

Mohammad had very questionable behavior- killing, marrying a six year old and having sex with her at age nine. Mohammad was a warlord and even the Quran told him to ask forgiveness for his sins.

All the things that the quran says about Jesus:
Kalimatuhu: God's Word 3:45
Light of the World 4:174
Al-Masih: The Messiah 4.157, 171
Rahma: Mercy from God to mankind 19:21
Zakiyyan: Gift of a holy or sinless son 19:19
Salam: Peace on him 19:33
Mina al-Saliheen: Upright or righteous shall he be
Nabiyy: Prophet
Rasul: Envoy, messenger 4:157, 5:75
Ibn Maryam : son of Mary , Jesus son of Mary 3:45
Min al-muqareeab: Those who are close to God 3:45
Wadjih: worthy of esteem in this world and the next 3:45
Mubarak: Blessed, a source of benefit for others 19:31
Qawl al-haqq: Sure word 19:34
Abd Allah: Servant of God 19.30
Aya: A sign unto mankind 19:21; 3:50; 43:61
Shahid: A witness on Judgement day 4:159
Mathal: A Parable or example 43:57
IIm: Knowledge of the hour 43:61
Hikmah: Bearer of wisdom 43:63
Supported with the Holy/Sanctimonious Soul/Spirit 2:87, 2:253

Who one needs to compare Mohammad to is Paul.

User avatar
Cathar1950
Site Supporter
Posts: 10503
Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:12 pm
Location: Michigan(616)
Been thanked: 2 times

Post #80

Post by Cathar1950 »

Humble Bystander wrote:The comparison sounds a lot like Batman and Superman. Superman is an alien with superpowers. Batman isn't. Therefore, Superman is a superior superhero.

That being said, nothing is mentioned about their track record of criminals locked up or their efficiency in their job of fighting crime and maintaining peace. But Superman is superior because his background is.
I don't recall Mohammad being one of the super best friends on south park. They had Jesus, Buddha, Moses, but no Mohammad.

I suppose if one thought the other was superior as a teacher, prophet or model they would join the other side and be a follower unless they thought they could change from within.

I guess you also must assume they were both prophets and there is some standard besides the prophet and what believers believe.

Post Reply