Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

[Greatest I Am]

Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

In speaking with Muslims, I have found that they see sin as something to be conquered and they are not shy about taking on the challenge of fighting their desires for sin.
A good trait to my mind.

Except for sexual matters.

With these sins and temptations, Muslims hide their temptation away, with clothing and social separation, and never face and conquer this particular group of sins. An example of this would be weddings where the females are separated from the males.

Know that some are more liberal than others and there is some liberalization but think that this is not the common Muslim.

Why is there a double standard?

Face and conquer, so to speak, other sins, but hide from sexual ones.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

[Wyvern]

Western news source, of non-muslim countries ofcourse wont be accepted, and any country working under US ifluennce , as they copy the matter of same agenda. now if you have any like this, please bring, so we can move one

This is why I have been asking you to name a news source you would trust. This isn't about me this is about you so stop asking me for something of which only you know what is acceptable. Why is this so difficult for you, are you afraid of actually being held to something you say? I have already put forth what I consider to be a reputable news source which you dismissed out of hand so now it's your turn to name what you consider a reputable news source so we can get to the real discussion.

Still you could'nt get, I told you , alll news agencies reported on the events of Tliban Govt. were biased, and they were working on 1 agenda, to give false reports of the events. Because no news agenncy govt. own was runing that time in Afghanistan, everything was blocked by satelite.
So the only true thing you can get about Taliban , is the people who lived with them, even as captives, as in case of this reporter, or other incidents, like I gave you link.
If you want to believe in this, its upto uou, if you want to believe in News Media, its your opinion, but as I mentioned, they are not true.

Wow, not a single news source in the whole world, not even al jazeera based in Dubai and completely ran and financed by muslims.
You mean the hostages, which ones the ones they killed or the ones they still have since you wont accept any reports from news sources which is where their accounts would be published. I would give you the link from the NY times reporter that was taken and was able to escape but it was published by the NY times and as such you wont allow, in fact you wont allow anything but the one account you were able to find that was positive.

[TrueReligion]

Wow, not a single news source in the whole world, not even al jazeera based in Dubai and completely ran and financed by muslims.
You mean the hostages, which ones the ones they killed or the ones they still have since you wont accept any reports from news sources which is where their accounts would be published. I would give you the link from the NY times reporter that was taken and was able to escape but it was published by the NY times and as such you wont allow, in fact you wont allow anything but the one account you were able to find that was positive.

Al-Jazeera is not run in Dubai, its runing from Qatar, its Qatar based, channnel, and its control by US:)
And I gave you 2 acccounts, but did u rely on it?

It wont end because what I give you, thats not you want to hear, . And ofcourse what you are giving, is not true, and it cannot be taken as reality.

So if there is any other question, you can ask related to topic, oitherwise this discussion is over.

[Wyvern]

Wow, not a single news source in the whole world, not even al jazeera based in Dubai and completely ran and financed by muslims.
You mean the hostages, which ones the ones they killed or the ones they still have since you wont accept any reports from news sources which is where their accounts would be published. I would give you the link from the NY times reporter that was taken and was able to escape but it was published by the NY times and as such you wont allow, in fact you wont allow anything but the one account you were able to find that was positive.

Al-Jazeera is not run in Dubai, its runing from Qatar, its Qatar based, channnel, and its control by US:)
And I gave you 2 acccounts, but did u rely on it?

It wont end because what I give you, thats not you want to hear, . And ofcourse what you are giving, is not true, and it cannot be taken as reality.

So if there is any other question, you can ask related to topic, oitherwise this discussion is over.

I would like to continue but you demand to have links to back up what we say but you don't accept ANY news source at all in the whole world. Sorry got the country wrong but the point is it's muslim owned, run and operated, both the taliban and al qaida both trust them enough that when they have any communication to the west they do it through al jazeera and yet you say they are controlled by the U.S. How can I rely on your accounts when you wont allow any other accounts since they are all published through news sources.

This conversation is not over but you need to understand if you demand links as proof of what is said you can't then disallow every single source of links in the entire web.

But sure let's go on, back to the OP obviously from what has been seen here, muslims don't want any challenge or temptation, anything that is seen as such is disallowed or made illegal such as music, bars, nail polish, women in public, educated women or alcohol among many things.

[TrueReligion]

Wow, not a single news source in the whole world, not even al jazeera based in Dubai and completely ran and financed by muslims.
You mean the hostages, which ones the ones they killed or the ones they still have since you wont accept any reports from news sources which is where their accounts would be published. I would give you the link from the NY times reporter that was taken and was able to escape but it was published by the NY times and as such you wont allow, in fact you wont allow anything but the one account you were able to find that was positive.

Al-Jazeera is not run in Dubai, its runing from Qatar, its Qatar based, channnel, and its control by US:)
And I gave you 2 acccounts, but did u rely on it?

It wont end because what I give you, thats not you want to hear, . And ofcourse what you are giving, is not true, and it cannot be taken as reality.

So if there is any other question, you can ask related to topic, oitherwise this discussion is over.

I would like to continue but you demand to have links to back up what we say but you don't accept ANY news source at all in the whole world. Sorry got the country wrong but the point is it's muslim owned, run and operated, both the taliban and al qaida both trust them enough that when they have any communication to the west they do it through al jazeera and yet you say they are controlled by the U.S. How can I rely on your accounts when you wont allow any other accounts since they are all published through news sources.

This conversation is not over but you need to understand if you demand links as proof of what is said you can't then disallow every single source of links in the entire web.

But sure let's go on, back to the OP obviously from what has been seen here, muslims don't want any challenge or temptation, anything that is seen as such is disallowed or made illegal such as music, bars, nail polish, women in public, educated women or alcohol among many things.

Lets not go any further of Al-Jazeera, as its not part of discussion, though Ive point to confirm my claim, but I dont want to make it long discussion.

Now, as per the OP, what is to be believe that muslims avoid any kind of temtation, which would lead to a sin.That includes few of following.
Music
Bars
Alcohol
Nudity
Interest
Gambling

and similar to this. This point of education of women is not valid, as many muslim women are studying abroad freely and this claim is wrong, ofcourse have to od droped.

If you want, we can discuss either on these points, and I can clarify what these can lead to sin and immoral life.

[Greatest I Am]

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I think my friend, u have;nt seen the interviews of western girls converted to Islam, and y they choose Hijab, even coming an open society.
Read and listen to them 1st, thn provide your remarks.
If you say u give equal rights to women,, its WRONG, west made women a sex symbol, dats y mmen of west, dont accept hijab, but women of west, have very less remarks.
Westener legalize prostitution for their lust,Islam didnt do that, 99% of pornography channels are working from west, for what? what kind of freedom you are talking about? is this what is moral?? how many of those girls are working freely and happily?
You have totaly wrong information about Islam, Islam gave the women highest standard and respect, by covering her, this is the respect of women,

It is a hell of a way to show respect by FORCING them to do as men want.
That is not respect.

Sounds more like a knee-jerk reaction to the males having to slave themselves to Allah. They too want slaves and make their women exactly that.

I do recognize thought that there are more intelligent people in Islam than the fundamentals. This may, in the long run, insure the survival of Islam.
It may be able to absorb the harm that it's fundamentals are giving it.

Regards
DL

[Wyvern]

Lets not go any further of Al-Jazeera, as its not part of discussion, though Ive point to confirm my claim, but I dont want to make it long discussion.

It didn't have to be long if you had admitted right at the start that you would not accept ANY news source, BTW can you prove al jazeera is U.S. controlled?

Now, as per the OP, what is to be believe that muslims avoid any kind of temtation, which would lead to a sin.That includes few of following.
Music
Bars
Alcohol
Nudity
Interest
Gambling

and similar to this. This point of education of women is not valid, as many muslim women are studying abroad freely and this claim is wrong, ofcourse have to od droped.

We were talking about your friends the taliban and under their rule they closed all girls schools and made it illegal to educate them. So you have to ask yourself which version of islam is correct? The one that allows women to get an education and lets them go abroad without a male relative to escort them or the one that doesn't. It seems pretty obvious that once fundamentalist muslims attain power they try to make everything that would challenge them and their faith illegal.

If you want, we can discuss either on these points, and I can clarify what these can lead to sin and immoral life.

Whether or not they can lead to sin is not the point, the point is that if your faith is strong you should be able to resist such things easily.

[TrueReligion]

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I think my friend, u have;nt seen the interviews of western girls converted to Islam, and y they choose Hijab, even coming an open society.
Read and listen to them 1st, thn provide your remarks.
If you say u give equal rights to women,, its WRONG, west made women a sex symbol, dats y mmen of west, dont accept hijab, but women of west, have very less remarks.
Westener legalize prostitution for their lust,Islam didnt do that, 99% of pornography channels are working from west, for what? what kind of freedom you are talking about? is this what is moral?? how many of those girls are working freely and happily?
You have totaly wrong information about Islam, Islam gave the women highest standard and respect, by covering her, this is the respect of women,

It is a hell of a way to show respect by FORCING them to do as men want.
That is not respect.

Sounds more like a knee-jerk reaction to the males having to slave themselves to Allah. They too want slaves and make their women exactly that.

I do recognize thought that there are more intelligent people in Islam than the fundamentals. This may, in the long run, insure the survival of Islam.
It may be able to absorb the harm that it's fundamentals are giving it.

Regards
DL

I think you still are not following, or your english is not compatible with the post, its clearly writen, READ THE LINK OF WESTERN GIRLS CONVERTED TO ISLAM, IF THEY WEAR HIJAB BY FORCE.
If you can;t understand their english, let me know your native language, I will arrange translation for it, so you can understand.

Islam can survive even if there is no muslim in the world, because Islam means Peace by submitting will to God. Iif you know whats the meaning of submitting of will to God, find out please, then come back andd discuss, we will welcome you
Rest all what you said, doesn;t mean anything, as they are just childish statements, without any proof or logic, so it does;nt require any comment as well

Thanks

[TrueReligion]

Lets not go any further of Al-Jazeera, as its not part of discussion, though Ive point to confirm my claim, but I dont want to make it long discussion.

It didn't have to be long if you had admitted right at the start that you would not accept ANY news source, BTW can you prove al jazeera is U.S. controlled?

Now, as per the OP, what is to be believe that muslims avoid any kind of temtation, which would lead to a sin.That includes few of following.
Music
Bars
Alcohol
Nudity
Interest
Gambling

and similar to this. This point of education of women is not valid, as many muslim women are studying abroad freely and this claim is wrong, ofcourse have to od droped.

We were talking about your friends the taliban and under their rule they closed all girls schools and made it illegal to educate them. So you have to ask yourself which version of islam is correct? The one that allows women to get an education and lets them go abroad without a male relative to escort them or the one that doesn't. It seems pretty obvious that once fundamentalist muslims attain power they try to make everything that would challenge them and their faith illegal.

If you want, we can discuss either on these points, and I can clarify what these can lead to sin and immoral life.

Whether or not they can lead to sin is not the point, the point is that if your faith is strong you should be able to resist such things easily.

I think this will go little more, ok here it is.

Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar, and Qatar govt. is totaly US-Base, there is US-Navy and Army as well in Qatar, Ive been to all gulf, I know well what is it.
Further, whenever any evennt is about to happpen, or US want to attack any place, they will issue a fake video of any of Al-Qaeda member, that this Al-Qaida member have sent this video exclusively to Al-Jazeera TV, with this and this message.
If you are sensible enough, can't you understand the game here? y is Al-Jazeera only news channel that Al-Qaida can approach? and they are sending video only, they can send to anny news channel in the word. any of Islamic country news channel.
Also Al-Jazeera started a little while ago before Iraq War, and almost end of Taliban Govt.
There are many other evidences, such as News Caster hired, etc etc, and many people working there also reported this.

Your other point about Taliban, I told you there were only fews areas where schools were closed, and dont twist the words that girl education was made ILLEGAL, false claims and statments are not good tactics in debate, you know this well, you will be ask for claims of this as well.
Reason they were not allowed for time being, I toldd already that in those areas, the situation was not stable and good, it was only this reason.

Read the definition of what is fundamentalist. If you dont know I will tell you, as you seem having some problem in understanding.
Fundamentalist means following the fundamental principles of the field, like fundamentalist of physics, chemistry, maths, etc etc.
In Islam, a person who follow the Islamic principles of life, is callledd fundammentalist, whats wrong in this?
Do you find any problem in Islamic system? if so bring it on we will discuss that as well.

Last par, Christians also have their faith strong in Jesus, and their faith tells them, that do sins as much as you can, faith in Jesus is salvation, and all sins wil be forgiven, do you think its logical? I can keep on raping girls, keep on killing people, robing them, abusing them, murdering, watching pornography channels, peeople doing incest, and keeping faith in Jesus will leadd them to eternal life, Does it seems logical andd some good faith to you?

Problem with western and non-muslim people is, that they view Islam with their prospective, that what good they see in their life, in their so-called rotten freedom.

Ofcourse, Islam will not lead to sins, and told you to avoid them, avoind temtation that lead you to sin.
Andl all the elements that make society immoral, un-ethical, destroy the good behaviour, Islam will avoind the root cause of these things, which are mentionedd already.

[Wyvern]

Al-Jazeera is based in Qatar, and Qatar govt. is totaly US-Base, there is US-Navy and Army as well in Qatar, Ive been to all gulf, I know well what is it.

Yes the U.S. has bases there, the U.S. has bases all over the world for that matter. Are you trying to say that if the U.S. has a military base in a country that country is then owned by the U.S.?

Further, whenever any evennt is about to happpen, or US want to attack any place, they will issue a fake video of any of Al-Qaeda member, that this Al-Qaida member have sent this video exclusively to Al-Jazeera TV, with this and this message.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention but al qaida issues videos either after the event or like lately when they want the world to remember them since they haven't done anything in quite a while. Believe it or not but most in the U.S. would be very happy if there was no warfare. Or are you trying to say al qaida is also owned and operated by the U.S.? Sounds like you are listening to the paranoid conspiracy nuts.

If you are sensible enough, can't you understand the game here? y is Al-Jazeera only news channel that Al-Qaida can approach? and they are sending video only, they can send to anny news channel in the word. any of Islamic country news channel.
Also Al-Jazeera started a little while ago before Iraq War, and almost end of Taliban Govt.
There are many other evidences, such as News Caster hired, etc etc, and many people working there also reported this.

Since you mentioned it I would love to see this evidence you are talking about.

Your other point about Taliban, I told you there were only fews areas where schools were closed, and dont twist the words that girl education was made ILLEGAL, false claims and statments are not good tactics in debate, you know this well, you will be ask for claims of this as well.
Reason they were not allowed for time being, I toldd already that in those areas, the situation was not stable and good, it was only this reason.

The taliban closed GIRLS schools only over the entire country, if the situation was as dangerous as you say why didn't they close ALL schools? Amazing we just got done with you finally coming out and saying you would not accept ANY news source and now you have the gaul to ask for a source, simply amazing. The schools were not closed for a limited time and neither was it in only a limited area, unless you consider forever a limited time and the entire country as a limited area.

Read the definition of what is fundamentalist. If you dont know I will tell you, as you seem having some problem in understanding.
Fundamentalist means following the fundamental principles of the field, like fundamentalist of physics, chemistry, maths, etc etc.

There is no such thing as a physics fundamentalist, suggesting such says you really don't know what a fundamentalist is.

In Islam, a person who follow the Islamic principles of life, is callledd fundammentalist, whats wrong in this?
Do you find any problem in Islamic system? if so bring it on we will discuss that as well.

When you say things like this I really think you don't understand anything that has been said by anyone at all on this entire forum. We in the west for the most part wouldn't care one bit how you practice your faith if it wasn't for the fact that the fundamentalists of your faith like to turn themselves into bombs which they use on us. Strange how what you call principles of life cause so much death.

Last par, Christians also have their faith strong in Jesus, and their faith tells them, that do sins as much as you can, faith in Jesus is salvation, and all sins wil be forgiven, do you think its logical? I can keep on raping girls, keep on killing people, robing them, abusing them, murdering, watching pornography channels, peeople doing incest, and keeping faith in Jesus will leadd them to eternal life, Does it seems logical andd some good faith to you?

You obviously have no idea what christianity is about other than what your paranoid sycophants on the street corners are telling you.

Problem with western and non-muslim people is, that they view Islam with their prospective, that what good they see in their life, in their so-called rotten freedom.

It says a lot that you would prefer to be a slave than free. Even though it is that same freedom you despise that allows you to do many of the things you do.

Ofcourse, Islam will not lead to sins, and told you to avoid them, avoind temtation that lead you to sin.
Andl all the elements that make society immoral, un-ethical, destroy the good behaviour, Islam will avoind the root cause of these things, which are mentionedd already.

That's the thing though you aren't avoiding them they are being legislated away. Which can only weaken any faith you may have.

[Bag-Of-Hammers]

Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

In speaking with Muslims, I have found that they see sin as something to be conquered and they are not shy about taking on the challenge of fighting their desires for sin.
A good trait to my mind.

Except for sexual matters.

With these sins and temptations, Muslims hide their temptation away, with clothing and social separation, and never face and conquer this particular group of sins. An example of this would be weddings where the females are separated from the males.

Know that some are more liberal than others and there is some liberalization but think that this is not the common Muslim.

Why is there a double standard?

Face and conquer, so to speak, other sins, but hide from sexual ones.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

If you look at Muhammad's sexual indulgences, you'll find him to be horribly hedonistic. He would attack cities, loot and kill anyone in his way, then take the wives, sisters, daughters, etc.. of the ones he slain and force them into sexual slavery, and in some cases all in the same day. He had sexual intercourse with a 9 year old. He had many wives, concubines, and sex slaves. He was a sick monster.