Proselytizing

[rreppy]

No Buddhist monk has ever come to my door on a Sunday morning and confronted me about whether or not I was "saved". I like that. I feel if you are confident that your religion is worthwhile, then you should have faith that people will find it and be convinced on its own merits, without the need of a bunch of pushy salespersons trying to "close a deal".
I admire the fact that the Dalai Lama, in almost every speech he makes to westerners, exhorts them to stay in the religion of their upbringing and merely explore whether Buddhism might have some tools and insights they may find useful. I could never imagine in a million years the Dalai Lama doing what Christian missionaries have done, going into foreign cultures and blasting their native religions as lies and blasphemies, destroying their works of art, burning their books, and telling them tales about how they will "burn in torment forever" if they don't convert.
Islam, of course, is even worse; the first 500 years of its history was "convert or die by my sword, infidel scum!".
I say, let a person find their own path and make up their own mind. Don't insult me by calling my beliefs inferior to your own and then shoving yours down my throat. A worthy religion shouldn't have to proselytize. Don't demean spirituality to the level of a popularity contest.

[Goat]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

Was he?? There are a lot of people who claim to be prophets.. I don't know of any way to show any of them actually were. Muslims are taught that, just as Christian are taught that Jesus was 'God made flesh'.

[Burninglight]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

That is one big "If." I say that because Muhammad hasn't received any confirmation for prophet hood. I doubt that he is a descendant of Ishmael, but even if I were to give you that, there were no prophets that came out of Ishmael. Ishmael and his mother Hagar were rejected by God and Abraham as the seed of promise from which Christ Jesus comes. You can find it in Gen 21:12 of the Bible.

In order for someone to be a prophet, he has to be of the correct ancestral line; he must have given some prophecy that has come to pass; He must have done some miracle and he must know the name of God; and he "must" be confirmed by other prophets.

Muhammad doesn't pass this test in my book. Deut 18 doesn't speak of Muhammad; it speaks of Jesus! Muhammad cannot be used as a usurper of Christ and then call him a prophet. Moreover, there is no documentation that Muhammad considered himself a prophet at the time he walked the earth.

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

That is one big "If." I say that because Muhammad hasn't received any confirmation for prophet hood. I doubt that he is a descendant of Ishmael, but even if I were to give you that, there were no prophets that came out of Ishmael. Ishmael and his mother Hagar were rejected by God and Abraham as the seed of promise from which Christ Jesus comes. You can find it in Gen 21:12 of the Bible.

In order for someone to be a prophet, he has to be of the correct ancestral line; he must have given some prophecy that has come to pass; He must have done some miracle and he must know the name of God; and he "must" be confirmed by other prophets.

Muhammad doesn't pass this test in my book. Deut 18 doesn't speak of Muhammad; it speaks of Jesus! Muhammad cannot be used as a usurper of Christ and then call him a prophet. Moreover, there is no documentation that Muhammad considered himself a prophet at the time he walked the earth.

You didn't answer the question.

Use that big "IF" and answer it. I'll format it for you:

"IF prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a prophet of God ... "

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

Was he?? There are a lot of people who claim to be prophets.. I don't know of any way to show any of them actually were. Muslims are taught that, just as Christian are taught that Jesus was 'God made flesh'.

See post #52

[Burninglight]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

That is one big "If." I say that because Muhammad hasn't received any confirmation for prophet hood. I doubt that he is a descendant of Ishmael, but even if I were to give you that, there were no prophets that came out of Ishmael. Ishmael and his mother Hagar were rejected by God and Abraham as the seed of promise from which Christ Jesus comes. You can find it in Gen 21:12 of the Bible.

In order for someone to be a prophet, he has to be of the correct ancestral line; he must have given some prophecy that has come to pass; He must have done some miracle and he must know the name of God; and he "must" be confirmed by other prophets.

Muhammad doesn't pass this test in my book. Deut 18 doesn't speak of Muhammad; it speaks of Jesus! Muhammad cannot be used as a usurper of Christ and then call him a prophet. Moreover, there is no documentation that Muhammad considered himself a prophet at the time he walked the earth.

You didn't answer the question.

Use that big "IF" and answer it. I'll format it for you:

"IF prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a prophet of God ... "

If he were a prophet the answer is obviously YES. If, however, he were a prophet and done that, it wouldn't have been for the same sin reason Muhammad actually did it for.

[LaaIlahaIllAllah]

If he were a prophet the answer is obviously YES.

Thank you, that is all I wanted to know.

[Burninglight]

If he were a prophet the answer is obviously YES.

Thank you, that is all I wanted to know.

Sure thing, BTW, I think you are a intelligent and well mannered person in discussion or debates, I respect that!

[1robin]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

That is one big "If." I say that because Muhammad hasn't received any confirmation for prophet hood. I doubt that he is a descendant of Ishmael, but even if I were to give you that, there were no prophets that came out of Ishmael. Ishmael and his mother Hagar were rejected by God and Abraham as the seed of promise from which Christ Jesus comes. You can find it in Gen 21:12 of the Bible.

In order for someone to be a prophet, he has to be of the correct ancestral line; he must have given some prophecy that has come to pass; He must have done some miracle and he must know the name of God; and he "must" be confirmed by other prophets.

Muhammad doesn't pass this test in my book. Deut 18 doesn't speak of Muhammad; it speaks of Jesus! Muhammad cannot be used as a usurper of Christ and then call him a prophet. Moreover, there is no documentation that Muhammad considered himself a prophet at the time he walked the earth.

I concur with this evaluation. By biblical standards Muhammad can't be considered a profit. Even in absence of the biblical standards I see no proof of any prophecy worthy of the use of the term issued by Muhhamad. Islam is sometimes referred to as "A non prophet enterprise" while that is admittedly disrespectful there is a truth behind it. If it could be proven that he was a profit and it could be shown that each example of violence was the result of a devine command then his given a pass could be considered.

[Goat]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

That is one big "If." I say that because Muhammad hasn't received any confirmation for prophet hood. I doubt that he is a descendant of Ishmael, but even if I were to give you that, there were no prophets that came out of Ishmael. Ishmael and his mother Hagar were rejected by God and Abraham as the seed of promise from which Christ Jesus comes. You can find it in Gen 21:12 of the Bible.

In order for someone to be a prophet, he has to be of the correct ancestral line; he must have given some prophecy that has come to pass; He must have done some miracle and he must know the name of God; and he "must" be confirmed by other prophets.

Muhammad doesn't pass this test in my book. Deut 18 doesn't speak of Muhammad; it speaks of Jesus! Muhammad cannot be used as a usurper of Christ and then call him a prophet. Moreover, there is no documentation that Muhammad considered himself a prophet at the time he walked the earth.

I concur with this evaluation. By biblical standards Muhammad can't be considered a profit. Even in absence of the biblical standards I see no proof of any prophecy worthy of the use of the term issued by Muhhamad. Islam is sometimes referred to as "A non prophet enterprise" while that is admittedly disrespectful there is a truth behind it. If it could be proven that he was a profit and it could be shown that each example of violence was the result of a devine command then his given a pass could be considered.

By Jewish standards, Jesus wouldn't be the Messiah... nor would Mohammed be a prophet. (Don't know about how much profit he made though)/

[1robin]

I will give you the benifit of the doubt about the earlier comments. You don't seem to have a competent grasp on the context of many of those verses and yes we have to remember that it was Jesus (God) saying those things. Allah might get the same pass but Muhammad and his 68 wars and countless raids shouldn't.

But if prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) is a prophet of God, doesn't that warrant him a 'pass'?

That is one big "If." I say that because Muhammad hasn't received any confirmation for prophet hood. I doubt that he is a descendant of Ishmael, but even if I were to give you that, there were no prophets that came out of Ishmael. Ishmael and his mother Hagar were rejected by God and Abraham as the seed of promise from which Christ Jesus comes. You can find it in Gen 21:12 of the Bible.

In order for someone to be a prophet, he has to be of the correct ancestral line; he must have given some prophecy that has come to pass; He must have done some miracle and he must know the name of God; and he "must" be confirmed by other prophets.

Muhammad doesn't pass this test in my book. Deut 18 doesn't speak of Muhammad; it speaks of Jesus! Muhammad cannot be used as a usurper of Christ and then call him a prophet. Moreover, there is no documentation that Muhammad considered himself a prophet at the time he walked the earth.

I concur with this evaluation. By biblical standards Muhammad can't be considered a profit. Even in absence of the biblical standards I see no proof of any prophecy worthy of the use of the term issued by Muhhamad. Islam is sometimes referred to as "A non prophet enterprise" while that is admittedly disrespectful there is a truth behind it. If it could be proven that he was a profit and it could be shown that each example of violence was the result of a devine command then his given a pass could be considered.

By Jewish standards, Jesus wouldn't be the Messiah... nor would Mohammed be a prophet. (Don't know about how much profit he made though)/

Maybe not by Jewish standards but by old testament standards he would be. His countless miracles, sinless life, fulfilled prophecy, and God's rescue from the grave would trump any philosophy, religion or book though. Muhammad cannot make this type of claim and would have to rely on some other criteria. Just curiosity could you list a couple specific reasons that the Jews reject Jesus as messiah, but I agree that the don't.